Legal advice about vaccines

[Cuchculan]

Be happy to hear about a nasal spray vaccine. Saw it mentioned this morning on an Irish site. That it might be on the way.

As for passports? Might happen to begin with. As in who gets to go places first? People who have been vaccinated. Might only last a while. As some people don't want the vaccine. If they were all pub goers, for example, the pubs would not want passports.

 

[Phil10]

I feel a bit anxious about the passports. Sure you can get a test and not a vaccine but it’s still a worry needing all these tests life won’t feel normal. The tests are valid for 72 hours and you could need two. It will make travel difficult but also if it was for domestic things it could be stressful too. I know it’s not happened yet but we seem to be heading in that direction so struggling to relax?

 

[Phil10]

I have a slight blocked nose it’s nothing like as bad but I worry as it’s not 100% away never had any tempeture but if it was covid I would probably know right? I worry as you can get ill with covid over a period of what 7 days?

 

[Phil10]

The big day on Monday guys

Boris Johnston set to say GP surgeries and supermarkets exempt from passports

However I could be banned from transport cinema pubs football holidays any part of normal live and could be under permanent lockdown without weekly testing

Any positive words? Will it get through Parliament if Labour and Lib Dem are opposing it?

 

[Phil10]

Anybody help? I am terrified I am going to have to pay for expensive saliva tests to go anywhere. Being honest I probably wouldn’t go far as it’s a lot of hassle lots of money £120 pounds and don’t want to worry about the result. But we have a prime minister who wants to announce these by Monday? People said wait and see well what happens Monday when he demands passports for the pub?

 

[Cuchculan]

You have to view it from both sides. A business wants to open. It knows it will be allowed using the vaccine passport method. What will that business do? Refuse and stay closed. Or accept and open? People will challenge it. In courts. Human and civil rights. Just have to see how it all plays out. At the moment after you second dose you do get a card saying you are fully vaccinated.

 

[Phil10]

What advice can you give me i can only take saliva tests and they cost £120 pounds what if my work brings this in? I am on low income it would cost me more a month testing than I actually earn.

BBC says “There would also be exemptions for people for whom vaccination is not advised or repeat testing is difficult.”

I have chronic mental health and bipolar would I be exempt? What sort of exemptions would the government include? Testing causes me extreme anxiety other than saliva testing which is expensive.

Anybody give me any advice? And no I’m not having the vaccine so would need tested but I believe they may test those who had the vaccine too.

 

[Cuchculan]

Have a word with your doctor about how you are feeling. He might be able to swing it for you to get on one of those lists. Were you can't have the vaccine. Better to have it in writing from a doctor. That way you won't have to worry as much. Other than that it is just going to be you saying it. Which won't cut it at work. If it came from your doctor, your work would have to accept it. That is exactly what I would do. Make it all medical fact. Rather than just your word.

 

[Phil10]

The latest is

The SNP's Westminster leader has opened the door to voting for Covid status checks in England – likely to all but guarantee Commons support for the move despite a growing Tory rebellion.

And non essential shops could demand it. In other news the vaccine may be suspended in under 30’s.

Are we heading to a papers society?

 

[Kingdoey]

Every day seems a step closer to being like Nazi Germany!

“ihre papier bitte”
On a serious level I don’t think they can make the vaccine mandatory. A lot of MPs are vehemently against the vaccine passports. I think it would get defeated in the commons.
Otherwise you will be segregating a whole section of society.

 

[Cuchculan]

Where is admin?
It is about advertisement on your website.
Byu.

No hijacking threads for talking about such things. Look up members and you will see who the admins are.

 

[Otherside]

Where is admin?
It is about advertisement on your website.
Byu.

Look down. There is a button marked "contact us". Not really that hard to find. Press that and you'll be able to email the admins, instead of spamming threads because you want an ad placement.

 

[Phil10]

I read vaccine passports may just be for big events and if we reach herd immunity which we have but government says October then passports end. Does this mean when we reach herd immunity travel will be possible without masks and testing once places vaccinate people?

 

[Otherside]

Travel wont be up to the UK - will be up to the respective country you're travelling to. Will have to see how that turns out. But I cannot see the requirement for vaccines + masks lasting in those countries once herd immunity has been reached (beyond a few countries that will be particularly strict on it).

I do not think the vaccine passport idea will pass. Beyond them being needed to travel abroad. Enough opposition to it, even within Boris's own party. Too much like identity cards. What we're seeing in the news is attempts to get it to pass. "Only for a short while." "Only for these limited purposes." Already removed a few things that it would be needed for. More will be to try and get it through.

 

[Cuchculan]

One thing that might happen is an EU agreement on some rule or other. But now that the UK is not in the EU, it might be different for people from the UK when visiting EU countries. Hence the EU exists. They tend to stick together. Work with each other. At times badly it must be said. But all it would need is a vote within the EU. Might be even better now that you are out of the EU. Lord knows what they will come up with.

Phil, I have said many times to you, the more people vaccinated, less people to catch it off. I know you can still get it when vaccinated. But it will lower the chances of that. Even get 70% vaccinated and that will mean 70% less people to catch it off of. The hope been that it will simply go away. But how long does a vaccine last for? That is the big question. Will people need a 3rd shot come next Winter? A booster shot. Probably so. This is all in the future. Won't happen for a while.

 

[bin_tenn]

But how long does a vaccine last for? That is the big question. Will people need a 3rd shot come next Winter? A booster shot. Probably so. This is all in the future. Won't happen for a while.

I've heard six months, but I have no idea where they got that information from. Don't know if it's even credible. I agree with you though, there will likely need to be a booster or similar.

I'm also with you about less people to catch it from, with vaccinations rolling out.

 

[Phil10]

Anybody any idea how long vaccine passports may last for international travel?

 

[Phil10]

Right so good news stuff opening

I have a holiday planned going from Scotland to England. Going to a hotel too. All good.

But there is an awkward list of stuff not
open yet bowling and cinemas.

Vaccine passports possible for football stadiums and concerts and international travel. I enjoy all these things I the first stuff more day to day but maybe a few times a year I like a gig or a holiday. Israel are ditching vaccine passports but COVID is bad in India now. So where are we with all this? Pub passports seem unlikely so I can enjoy most things domestically. My worry is I crave a foreign holiday I don’t want testing to become the new normal like what happens with airport security? Surely it has to be temporary that’s my worry would people here see us ending all restrictions eventually?

 

[Cuchculan]

Nothing much will change until anybody sees any signs of Covid stopping. Is up to each country. Passports and all of that. Not everybody is for them. But visiting a foreign country will mean getting checked for some time to come. Only people not getting checked are those who had the vaccine. Both shots. Was a case here in Ireland already. Woman for Israel. Put in a hotel with all other visitors. She had both shots. The court ruled in her favour. That it was wrong to detain her. India is an example of what could still happen if care is not taken. Slum areas over there. Overpopulated. Spread so quickly.

 

[Otherside]

I'm living in England. Stuff is reopening indoors (mostly) 17th of May. Cinemas should be open by that date. But you may need to book in advance due to distancing requirements.

The vaccine passport thing - pub passports are off. Talk of it has gone very quiet - chances are it wont pass parliment, beyond if its needed to allow entry to other countries, so it all could be off. For stuff in the UK might be needed for - seems as though it will be either vaccine, prior infection in the last six months, or negative lateral flow test taken less than 3 days ago. Those are the tests that give you a result in half an hour. Do not know what the situation is in Scotland with getting those. Did hear I think they were supposed to be availibille for all up there. I know if you're in England you can walk into a test centre and just get one done, no questions asked, free of charge. Takes about five minutes, result texted to youhalf an hour later. Can get a pack of seven posted to your here, I do not know if you can do that in Scotland.

Going abroad - cant give you any answers there at the moment. It will not be forever, but the testing requirements will probably be there over the summer. They have not announced anything officially. Say they will sometime May though. There is just rumours now. Countries will be put in red, amber, green. Green will likely mean no quarantine. Rumours you will need a test though to get back into the UK, vaccine or no. Only countries that I've seen could be green are Israel, US, Iceland, Gibraltar, Malta, Portugal.

If you are going to book a holiday abroad, I would either hold off until you know for certain which countries will let you in and which will be greenlisted, or make sure that whatever you book is fully flexible.