Legal advice about vaccines

[Phil10]

I heard a bus driver in my area sadly died of covid. I keep hearing cases in my area are rising which is worrying as it’s falling everywhere else. They also said we need to accept COVID is with us forever so it’s yet another risk. I hate day not feeling safe will that be the new normal? Never feeling safe?

 

[Cuchculan]

We hear lots of stories. Lots of people dying. Might even hear people say ' he was healthy '.But I tend to doubt the healthy part. All about simply doing the right things. Some people are been fools. House parties and the likes. Other test positive and still go out. Idiots. If people done the right thing there would not be as many cases. I always said that social distancing does work. I still believe in that. But a lot of people don't care about social distancing. They gather in large numbers.

Plus you have scare tactics been used in some cases. Trying to make people of a certain age group listen up. They tried that over here once. Claiming most who had the virus were young. Because young people were the ones not listening. They want to frighten them. As if to say it can happen to you too if you don't stop doing what you are doing.

I am sure some day they might find an answer to Covid. It is a long way off though. Vaccines that fully get rid of something can take a number of years to make. But on the plus side, everybody who makes vaccines are all only focused on Covid.

 

[Phil10]

I fear I may have to choice but to have this vaccine my only hope is it’s a single dose J&J one or tablet form. I would defo refuse two doses of the Oxford vaccine as that will require third dose. I would rather have none but it looks like it’s going to be hard to avoid? My worry is I could become ill from the jab?

 

[Phil10]

Update

Had a call with a solicitor tonight it’s not optimistic news. He says they will make it mandatory via the back door basically meaning need it to work due to health and safety act and also very little can do about foreign borders.

Also not good news about the the J&J single dose they want to make it two jabs now so no update on tablet vaccines either so it seems it’s take these two jabs maybe three if it needs a booster or lose my freedoms?

 

[Cuchculan]

Nothing would be certain as of yet. It is all only new to everybody. Each country will bring in their own laws. In the UK a few people got the vaccine and then went out and got Covid on purpose. Just to put a claim in. You have a lot of stuff like that happening too. We all just have to wait until there is enough of the vaccine to find out what eaxh country intends to do.

 

[Phil10]

In Israel you need a vaccine passport to go to the pub or the gym despite only 50% being vaccinated. Pretty grim I fear it coming here and I have little choice but to have this vaccine.

 

[Cuchculan]

If that were to happen, laws would need to be changed in Scotland. Is talks about changing laws here in Ireland. Mainly surrounding pubs. Opening and closing times. That is all so far. But we will have to accept them if they do become the law of the land.

 

[Phil10]

My sister and mother in law are both worried about ending up in ICU with Covid. Both are healthy but they worry they will be ill is it justified to take the vaccine or is it foolish to not take it?

 

[Cuchculan]

Depends. I know people who say they will take it to protect those around them who they love. These are people would normally refuse any vaccine. They are more thinking of others. The people they love. Keeping them safe. So if that means they have to get the vaccine, they will do just that.

 

[Phil10]

Talk of vaccine passports seems to be ramping up now. I have been getting in heated debates online about it. I am sure I read Ireland is bringing one out so what do you suggest if we head down the worst case scenario of passports? It seems more likely than it did a few months a go so a bit worrying?

 

[Cuchculan]

Ireland is so far behind with the vaccine it will be ages before they even mention that in this country. Only a small amount done. Hardly any have gotten both shots. There was a change in vaccine and then a shortage of it. I think if the things you mention are to happen, they will happen in the UK first. We still have another few months of lockdown ahead of us as the government tries to get the vaccine rolled out. The UK is way ahead of us. Let me tell you there are hundreds of thousands who will refuse the vaccine here. They post each day on FB. Others know they will have to get it done if they want to even enter the UK. Lot of Irish go over to football matches and rock concerts. So we wait to see what the UK says about entering the UK. But there will still be legal challenges. About our basic human rights. We are all sitting back waiting to see what does happen.

 

[Phil10]

Seemingly Greece will let people unvaccinated if they take a negative covid test. The airlines are not accepting these ones yet https://iprotectu.co.uk/covid-testing/ surely they need to allow more saliva ones rather than swabs and lab testing for more broad international travel this summer?
https://www.superdrug.com/Health/Home-Testing-Kits/Chronomics-COVID-19-PCR-Test/p/805999?singleResultSearchPage=true maybe these will be accepted? Think they are Saliva

 

[Phil10]

So now it appears a negative covid test is accepted for travel that’s good news. I think my worry is how safe it would be to travel? 2021 seems risky but possibly 2022 cases may be low enough to maybe travel? I stay in scotland and I avoided England even when we came out of lockdown last year as cases where so high. My brother did go to England and he never got the virus but like if you go to a hotel or restaurant in a place with higher prevalence of the virus it would be a worry. I guess the good news is a negative result would be an option should I not take the vaccine. If a covid tablet vaccine came I would consider taking that more to be honest as that would seem easier to take.

 

[Cuchculan]

More people that get the vaccine, less chance of you catching the virus. So it will depend on how many people get the vaccine. Other countries might have different laws. Might need the vaccine to enter some countries. Plus we have various strains of the virus now. They are unsure if the vaccine works on these new strains. But I am sure they will come up with a vaccine for the new strains as well. But you are thinking too far ahead of yourself. this is all in the future. Keep you mind on today.

 

[Aries]

More people that get the vaccine, less chance of you catching the virus. So it will depend on how many people get the vaccine. Other countries might have different laws. Might need the vaccine to enter some countries. Plus we have various strains of the virus now. They are unsure if the vaccine works on these new strains. But I am sure they will come up with a vaccine for the new strains as well. But you are thinking too far ahead of yourself. this is all in the future. Keep you mind on today.

These new strains are a boon to the pharm companies. They get to keep making new vaccines that people MUST take and it looks like it will be a new one every year. Here in the US that's 330 million single doses or 660 million if you have to double them. At just $10 a dose that's $66 billion. Fear = $$$

 

[Phil10]

Does anybody worry these new strains they keep finding will keep us locked down longer or make them force the vaccine?

 

[Cuchculan]

If the vaccine don't work on the new strain, that won't be any good to anybody. It simply might hamper things. Slow things up a bit. But nothing will really change in 2021. Be another year at least before we see any major changes. Just my own opinion.

 

[Phil10]

So covid negative tests are accepted. My worry is if the result comes back positive you can’t go on holiday what then? I like no the idea of no testing as if it was positive wouldn’t I worry more?

 

[Cuchculan]

Why would you even want to go on holiday if you had Covid? I can understand them stopping people with positive test results. That is just asking for trouble letting such people move around freely. If you test negative you can travel.

 

[Phil10]

Why would you even want to go on holiday if you had Covid? I can understand them stopping people with positive test results. That is just asking for trouble letting such people move around freely. If you test negative you can travel.

Thanks no I wouldn’t want to travel but if testing becomes a thing I would worry it could be a positive result you often hear how inaccurate these tests are? I know some people test themselves what twice per week I’ve no idea if they return positive results? Perhaps the chances might be low