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Legal advice about vaccines

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So 54 million will get the vaccine offer as under 18 don’t get it. Those with allergies can’t take it and some others don’t take it maybe 20% maybe 5 million so what next?

*Vaccine passports? Would they allow a nasal spray as an alternative to travel? A negative COVID test? Or is it no jab no fly? Would it be every single country world wide?

*Would vaccine passports be forever like airport security or short term to see how the virus is?

*Lockdown has seen an increase of suicides and depression how would someone have any quality of life if they were banned from weddings pubs football and holidays. Effectively living in lockdown? Now would this be short term or forever?

*If the government don’t vaccinate everybody every year what then? What if it’s at risk groups only then someone unvaccinated is the same as someone who had the vaccine but the protection has expired?

*What exemptions would there be for vaccines to travel? Would it cover any mental health issues?

*Vaccine passports in development are digital what if you don’t have a smart phone? How do they know the passport is genuine if it’s paper?

*How would EU countries deal with 5 million barred Brits and possibly many more in Eu countries as I heard take up is low in France? Would it be the end of EU’s open borders? Are they going to stop cars crossing the border and have border checks?

*What do you do if you have 5 million who can’t take it for health reasons or other what do you do about the rapid increase of suicides with people who have nothing left and even banned from weddings? Two tier society?

or would better treatments possibly oral vaccines be the future or even single dose vaccines maybe better testing would this be the future and options will improve or are we stuck in a two jab every year society forever?


We need an open debate in society about this ..
 

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All this would be open to a legal challenge in any court. We all have rights. Nobody can take those right away from us. I am sure there will be challenges in a lot of countries. But if they were going to do it, they would have to write it into law. So far it is not a law. Even if they did write it into law, it would be challenged. Sadly as the UK is not a member of the EU any more, it could only really be challenged in the highest court within the UK. Here in Ireland we could challenge it as far as the EU court. That our basic civil rights are been taken away from us. For now it means nothing at all as it is not a law. Yes you need a negative test to enter another country. That is only using common sense to stop people entering countries who are infected.
 

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All this would be open to a legal challenge in any court. We all have rights. Nobody can take those right away from us. I am sure there will be challenges in a lot of countries. But if they were going to do it, they would have to write it into law. So far it is not a law. Even if they did write it into law, it would be challenged. Sadly as the UK is not a member of the EU any more, it could only really be challenged in the highest court within the UK. Here in Ireland we could challenge it as far as the EU court. That our basic civil rights are been taken away from us. For now it means nothing at all as it is not a law. Yes you need a negative test to enter another country. That is only using common sense to stop people entering countries who are infected.
So you think if they try it people will mount a legal challenge I hope you are right. I enjoy travelling often I take a trip to France then visit a country close by on the train do you think that will ever be possible again?
 

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I read they want to quarantine people at hotels anyway so holidaying looks a no go. Could be years before travel is back on?
 

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All this is if you go on holiday right now. So people with the virus don't get into countries. To try and stop the spread of it. This will change over time. Some countries might make certain things law. There will always be people to challenge any new laws brought in.
 

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There are people reading this forum who are in the group who can't currently take the vaccine. I know this because I am currently in that group myself and I am so worried that I have been physically ill since it was announced that I should not get the vaccine right now. I think it's a good idea for us in this forum to focus on our own personal feelings and situations rather than to make statements such as anticipating that people like myself if they are banned from life may commit suicide. It's just not necessary to say these things about other people on a mental health forum.
 

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There are people reading this forum who are in the group who can't currently take the vaccine. I know this because I am currently in that group myself and I am so worried that I have been physically ill since it was announced that I should not get the vaccine right now. I think it's a good idea for us in this forum to focus on our own personal feelings and situations rather than to make statements such as anticipating that people like myself if they are banned from life may commit suicide. It's just not necessary to say these things about other people on a mental health forum.

Phil is just worried. Simple as that. He is putting down what he fears in writing. If that includes the suicide numbers, and can be fact checked, and it is a worry for him, then I would rather he write it down than hold it in. Maybe somebody can help him out on that one point. Here in Ireland there is a study been done on that one topic at the moment. The numbers who have taken their own lives since all this began is very high. At least here in Ireland. People have taken their own lives as a direct result of the lockdown. Had a whole radio talk show about the one issue because it got so bad at one stage. I would agree if it was something false and just made up. Might not be happening were you live. The suicide rates in Ireland are always very high as a rule. Especially amongst males. I will say it is sad, but lockdown has caused a spike in suicides in Ireland. That is factual. People might feel that way. They might not be talking openly about it. To have it mentioned might make others speak up and get the help they need. To know they are not alone. If it is a fear for Phil, he has a right to be able to write about it. As does anybody else. Then we try and help them as best we can.
 

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To be honest if they did keep restrictions on people who don’t take the vaccine even if there is higher suicide I wouldn’t think the government would care. What are they doing at the moment nothing? Mental health is the forgotten thing right now where are the celebs talking about it no where. My point is I see people calling on fourms for people who don’t take the vaccine to be banned from flying I challenge these people to think about the impact of a two tier society as they really have not thought it through. As for my legal challenge I’ve yet to find a lawyer willing to listen. I’ve yet to find a therapist willing to listen either. Am I confident testing or a vaccine tablet can sort this for me no? I really fear it’s “jab or no quality of life”..prove me wrong?
 

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I apologise, but, in my opinion, you are not right. I am assured. I can defend the position. Write to me in PM, we will communicate.
 

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I read another article someone healthy 40 died of COVID today and it can strike you down in days. Can anybody reassure me I seem to be reading so much of these stories? I fear I will be forced into having this vaccine if this covid doesn’t drop in numbers soon?
 

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Depends on what you want to believe. Put yourself in charge of the government. You want people to stay in the house. Avoid contact with others. What sort of news stories would you want out there? Ones that say ' It could happen to anybody '. Possibly could happen to anybody. But it is very rare. Nearly all deaths have been people who have things wrong with them already or they are old. Might also have people who smoke a lot. They would struggle badly. They say healthy 40 year old. Did it say if he smoked? Or are we just to assume he didn't? We have had 1 such story here in Ireland. That is 1 out of thousands. So that is how rare it is.
 

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I work in retail do you think they will force me to get this jab to keep my job?
 

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So everybody to be offered covid jab by July not too long so what should I do? Would it be too risky to not take it? Where are we in the pandemic? Or will I have no choice if I want to go abroad?
 

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Seems to be a peer pressure to take this vaccine that’s a problem too. I am finding that as hard as having the vaccine because I can’t make an informed choice as it feels forced
 

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Does everybody really need the vaccine? If most take it, that will mean there will be fewer people to catch the virus from. Just my own opinion. Not everybody needs to take it. Once the majority of people take it, that should be enough.
 

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Does everybody really need the vaccine? If most take it, that will mean there will be fewer people to catch the virus from. Just my own opinion. Not everybody needs to take it. Once the majority of people take it, that should be enough.
True do you really think I can live a normal life without the vaccine? Will I be safe from the virus or do I need it? I have been anxious about it as I heard the jab can give flu like symptoms plus I don’t want it but worry I won’t be able to travel or go to gigs? Do you think I will be able to?
 

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More people who take it, the less people you can catch it off of. As they are all vaccinated. Does that make sense to you? As a rule they never vaccinate the whole country. We shall see with this one.
 

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More people who take it, the less people you can catch it off of. As they are all vaccinated. Does that make sense to you? As a rule they never vaccinate the whole country. We shall see with this one.
Did that mean those who never took small pox injections or TB caught the illness? Myself I never took the TB vaccine but have been fine.
 

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Exactly. You were fine because millions of others took the vaccine and there was less people to catch it off of.
 
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