Legal advice about vaccines

[Otherside]

Yes, Wales has voted that in. You don't live in Wales, so why are you worrying about what the Welsh do?

 

[Phil10]

Yes, Wales has voted that in. You don't live in Wales, so why are you worrying about what the Welsh do?

Coming in Scotland next week gyms cafes and pubs

 

[Otherside]

So worry about what the Scots do. Though does seem likely and they have the numbers to just push it through.

Have you spoken with your GP about an exemption? You've mentioned that one before.

 

[Phil10]

So worry about what the Scots do. Though does seem likely and they have the numbers to just push it through.

Have you spoken with your GP about an exemption? You've mentioned that one before.

I am in Scotland and I can assure you GP won’t deal with it we have a vaccine helpline and we have no exemptions these exemption certificates don’t exist nobody has been issued one I mean nobody even if you had a very good reason
Can I just say this is the worst Christmas yet I mean I have to work to 11pm and this worry about covid. Xmas music right now depresses me

 

[Otherside]

They do exist - I know of one person with one (allergies). If you're exempt you can get given one. Whether you are exempt though is up to your GP. Not something that can be helped here.

Would say it would be a very extreme measure to extend it to jobs - beyond those jobs that put you in contact with very, very vulnerable people (care workers), but who knows at this point.

 

[Cuchculan]

Phil there is no law saying you can't book a holiday. That much is all up to you. What you are willing to do to have the holiday you want. You seem to know the countries you can visit without needing a vaccine. The choice is yours. Do you want the holiday that bad? If so book it. Leave the UK. Enjoy another country for two weeks. Then you have to return home again. The only sticking point.

 

[Fraser]

Fair point but let me take the risk. Life is a risk.

Do you get to put everyone else on the plane on the way home at risk as well?

 

[Cuchculan]

Heck he won't be allowed back into the UK without at least a test. Which he is against too. He can fly away. But flying back home will be the problem.

 

[Phil10]

Heck he won't be allowed back into the UK without at least a test. Which he is against too. He can fly away. But flying back home will be the problem.

There is boats and trains too
We find out next week if we need them for pubs cinemas ect which is awful December onwards may mean a Austria style look down. Seems no end to it. I wish somebody could tell me life like 2019 May return one day

 

[Otherside]

Same rules apply on the boats and trains. You need to show a Passenger Locator Form + Vaccine + booked day 2 test, or PLF + neg Test + booked day 2&8.

Which if you looked, you'd see.

"Wont get on the plane" is a figure of speech from Cuchculan.

 

[Phil10]

Same rules apply on the boats and trains. You need to show a Passenger Locator Form + Vaccine + booked day 2 test, or PLF + neg Test + booked day 2&8.

Which if you looked, you'd see.

"Wont get on the plane" is a figure of speech from Cuchculan.

Yes I know that. I was just pointing out I don’t have to be stuck on a plane to travel.

 

[Cuchculan]

Ever wanted to visit Ethiopia? I hear you need no vaccines or tests to enter that country. Not exactly a tourist place. But it might be a little different. An experience.

 

[Phil10]

Seems we are living through crazy times when they want to lockdown only the unvaccinated or maybe those who had one vaccine. This is the crazy times we are living in Germany and Austria. It’s the National conversation in UK too. I ask again will this ever end?

 

[Cuchculan]

If you keep repeating questions we can only keep repeating answers.

 

[Phil10]

If you keep repeating questions we can only keep repeating answers.

My apologies I just see no end to this right now we are now approaching two years of it

 

[Otherside]

If you keep repeating questions we can only keep repeating answers.

This goes for me as well. I dont know how many times the same questions and answers have been said here.

You need to accept what we are telling you, it is not going to suddenly change, and we cannot predict the future.

 

[Phil10]

Any thoughts on what’s going on worldwide and here? Would he interested to see what Cuchculan thinks. In Austria they are locking down unvaccinated one minister was on tv suggesting they pin people down to inject them. Germany to follow suit locking down. How far will they go? Probably Wales and Scotland will push more as in England there is more push back. Seems these vaccines are almost mandated I know most here said I should take vaccine that’s ok but they also said I should have a free choice? Is my choice really going to be removed here too? I know they are talking about a ban on pubs cinemas restaurants ect in Scotland maybe more venues bingo halls maybe. I notice the covid oral vaccine and the single jab J&J have gone quiet now they are pushing these third boosters for pretty much all in 2022. Thing is even if I took the jab once or twice bad enough but it’s not long lasting. 5 months to be exact so I wonder what we can do? It seems like world war times when people got forced to war or the extreme Spanish flu rules we had on masks. So what next?

 

[Cuchculan]

Other countries will look at those countries taken extreme measures and see how it works for them. But one thing is for certain. Nobody will holding anybody down and making them take a vaccine. Not even in Austria or Germany. Might be a case of having to just suck it up and accept that you will have nothing to do without the vaccine and people with the vaccine will have more to do. Far too many anti-vaxxer moaners out there. Oh we can't do this. Oh we can't do that. Is one way they can do everything. Get a vaccine. I know many people against the vaccine who have gotten the vaccine. Just so they can do things. If they thought the vaccine had something bad in it, they would never have gotten it. But it was their only way of been able to go to gigs and pubs and even hop on a plane and go elsewhere. So it is not like there is not an answer. People can do things. But it simply might mean getting a vaccine they are against.

 

[Jonathan123]

You are willing to take one risk and not another. Tell me your difference between both risks. If we consider the vaccine a risk and Covid another risk.

Life will return to normal some day. We simply have to accept it as it is today. We might not like it much. It is as it is. Can't say nobody expected us to be hit with a pandemic. Can't just do nothing about it. Like allowing people to run wild. Doing as they please. That would help nobody at all.

All the previous pandemics faded away. It's the nature of the beast. The greatest plague in the seventieth century lasted a three years and killed millions in Europe, as did the so called Spanish flu of 1918. Since the plagues of Egypt in the Bible, mankind has survived them all. Today we have vaccines, which the other poor souls didn't have and we should be thankful we have. But having a jab is still a very personal choice and no one should be punished for not having one. It is not fair that someone should lose their job because they refuse a vaccine. In a way it is still a coercion. It is getting close to the borderline between forcing and allowing. Not good in any democratic society.

 

[Cuchculan]

Is more those people who take to the streets protesting that annoy me. Over here they have boarded the tram system we have an actually ripped face masks off of other passengers. I get they are against the vaccine. There is a line in how you go about things. They can have their views without going out and getting in the face of others. If they want their views respected, they should respect the views of others too. Some do that. They don't want the vaccine. But they don't take to the streets and taget innocent people, who are just going about their day.