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Legal advice about vaccines

Phil10

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Maybe in about 5 years. Unless you get the vaccine.
Why 5 years?
You can self declare exemption on nhs app in England why would Scotland not be same?

Exemptions

There will also be a small number of exemptions for individuals who have a medical reason which means they cannot vaccinate or test. These individuals will need to self-declare their medical exemption directly with you.
A digital solution is being developed which will enable individuals with a medical exemption to show their COVID-19 status using the NHS COVID Pass. In the interim, please follow the advice below.
Please be mindful and respectful where there are potentially circumstances where a customer or individual cannot safely demonstrate their COVID-19 status by taking a vaccination or a test. This could include people:

  • with learning disabilities or autistic individuals, or with a combination of impairments which result in the same distress
  • those suffering from or under medical supervision for acute or evolving serious diseases or those receiving palliative care or undergoing treatment with unpleasant side effects

Event or venue organisers in England that choose to use the NHS COVID Pass as a condition of entry can decide whether to accept self-declared medical exemptions where an individual cannot vaccinate or test, ensuring they comply with the Equalities Act 2010.
Your customers may declare a medical exemption directly with you. You and your staff should not ask for evidence of the exemption.
If businesses decide to require evidence of Covid-19 status as a condition of entry, they should ensure that they comply with all the relevant legal obligations (for example, the Equalities Act 2010) and guidance that applies.

https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk/covid-19-res...hs-covid-pass/
 

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Have you got one of them? You have never mentioned having one in the past.

I say 5 years because I can't see things getting back to anything near normal sooner. Now if you want to visit another country, this medical exemption will be useless to you. Will only be good in the place of origin. Which is Scotland. Probably be the whole of the UK soon enough. So get yourself a medical exemption. If you think they will give you one.
 

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Well they don’t ask for a doctors note like autism can be like anxiety I actually got tested for Aspergers years ago. Point is you don’t have to provide proof like my wife had a reaction how do they prove it without rigerious testing?
 

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Only way around all of this, which is what you are really thinking about is an exemption. Without that life will continue as it is right now for you. Nothing else really matters to be honest. Either you are exempt or you are not. If you are not and have no vaccine, there is nothing you can do. You will have to accept things as they are. That is just the reality of it all.
 

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Not at all surpised by today’s announcement...unhappy to say the least, but not surprised. My company has more than 100 people so I will need to make a descision and I know which way I am leaning. Either way, it is going to cause me problems though.
 

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Update my wife caught covid so we are in quarantine at the moment.

If you are unjabbed you have to quarantine now too. Jab passports for night clubs ect when will life go back to normal without masks and proof of vaccine? I thought we had face masks in Spanish flu and they went?
 

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Non vaccinated people have always had to isolate when in contact with covid in Scotland. When we had the Spanish flu, we didn't have the technological advances we do now to prevent it killing as many people. I'm not vaccinated right now, but it's not due to being antivax, I think everyone should get it, I just want to start thinking about having a baby in the next couple of years, so want to make sure it has no adverse affects on fertility etc before I get it, already said if babies are all being born happy and healthy by the end of the year then I'll get mine. What this means is that I've had to accept that I probably won't be in a nightclub any time soon ‍♀ if that's the choice I've made, then that's the repercussion.

I'm in Scotland, and big Nikki won't be changing her mind any time soon but it's a good thing. We're all vaccinated against measles, no difference in my eyes, I'm just incredibly focused on having a healthy baby, so just want a tiny bit more info first before I go ahead with getting my microchip. (Joke, I promise)
 

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Non vaccinated people have always had to isolate when in contact with covid in Scotland. When we had the Spanish flu, we didn't have the technological advances we do now to prevent it killing as many people. I'm not vaccinated right now, but it's not due to being antivax, I think everyone should get it, I just want to start thinking about having a baby in the next couple of years, so want to make sure it has no adverse affects on fertility etc before I get it, already said if babies are all being born happy and healthy by the end of the year then I'll get mine. What this means is that I've had to accept that I probably won't be in a nightclub any time soon ‍♀ if that's the choice I've made, then that's the repercussion.

I'm in Scotland, and big Nikki won't be changing her mind any time soon but it's a good thing. We're all vaccinated against measles, no difference in my eyes, I'm just incredibly focused on having a healthy baby, so just want a tiny bit more info first before I go ahead with getting my microchip. (Joke, I promise)
Yes i am in Scotland too and can’t see passports being dropped. I think vaccine has to be a choice but places like Italy forcing it for work.
 

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Yes i am in Scotland too and can’t see passports being dropped. I think vaccine has to be a choice but places like Italy forcing it for work.
It's either proof of vaccination, a negative test or recent recovery from infection, so they don't neeeeed to be vaccinated. I agree with that, I'd take a test every day if I had to, it's a super safe option.
 

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The uptake of the vaccine in Italy was one of the lowest in the world. Talking about 40%. Italy was one of the worst hit countries when this all began. Case of what could they do to make people take the vaccine? They had to do something. Even if it is only people who work that are made get the vaccine in Italy, the numbers will still be low enough. Can turn political in some countries. All a bit stupid really.

Here in Ireland it will be similar to the UK. Vaccinated people can do a lot more than those refusing the vaccine. I do know a number of people who got the vaccine just to be able to do things. Irish people are going to the UK for gigs and music festivals. As they are still not allowed in Ireland. Just jump on a plane and away you go.

This Winter will show us how things are going. Flu season is almost here again. They will have a better picture in a month or two. What direction things are going. How vaccines are holding up. Still a long way off the end of this. 2022 will much the same as 2021.
 

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The uptake of the vaccine in Italy was one of the lowest in the world. Talking about 40%. Italy was one of the worst hit countries when this all began. Case of what could they do to make people take the vaccine? They had to do something. Even if it is only people who work that are made get the vaccine in Italy, the numbers will still be low enough. Can turn political in some countries. All a bit stupid really.

Here in Ireland it will be similar to the UK. Vaccinated people can do a lot more than those refusing the vaccine. I do know a number of people who got the vaccine just to be able to do things. Irish people are going to the UK for gigs and music festivals. As they are still not allowed in Ireland. Just jump on a plane and away you go.

This Winter will show us how things are going. Flu season is almost here again. They will have a better picture in a month or two. What direction things are going. How vaccines are holding up. Still a long way off the end of this. 2022 will much the same as 2021.
True I guess you can always go to England if rules are better I can easily take a train. So 2022 bad when do you see this ending 2023/2024? I hope my 2030 we are long past this
 

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It will depend on what 2022 is like. We will have a better picture by then. We will know if it is easing up or still spreading. I am sure we will see a few more variants too. Can't see it lasting as long as 2030.
 

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Only way around all of this, which is what you are really thinking about is an exemption. Without that life will continue as it is right now for you. Nothing else really matters to be honest. Either you are exempt or you are not. If you are not and have no vaccine, there is nothing you can do. You will have to accept things as they are. That is just the reality of it all.
Strangely, acceptance applies here as it does with anxiety. The last years have been the most anxiety making years I can remember. During previous epidemics there were never the conflicting views and opinions from so called 'experts' as there is now. I would suggest we are all confused! Of course it must be an individual choice to have a vaccine. The freedom to refuse any form of medication is still there.
It may be on very sincerely held religious or moral grounds. I chose to have two jabs. (Shots), because I am classed in the vulnerable range. But in no way would I suggest everyone should do the same.
There were no side effects at all. Anxiety sufferers should avoid situations where they may think they will catch covid such as large gatherings or crowded places. It's all a matter of common sense.
By the way! The definition of an 'expert' is 'X' is an unknown factor and a 'spurt' is a drip under pressure'. Judging by recent events I would say that is true. :):):)
 

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Yes i am in Scotland too and can’t see passports being dropped. I think vaccine has to be a choice but places like Italy forcing it for work.
Pretty soon this will be happening in the USA as well. Employers with over 100 people are going to be required to have their employees vaccinated. I’m willing to leave my job over this (my company has 100+ and already indicated they will comply) but I may not have to right away as we will continue to work from home for a long time it looks like.

The 2 pro sports teams in my town (their venues are both owned by the county) are going to require the vax to attend events and games. Don’t care about either team so it doesn’t faze me much but I do enjoy the occassional concert…not enough to change my mind though. I’m getting worried though that they are going to go for the full on mandate for restaurants and other public places. The county was more the driving force on the stadium mandates and I think it is only the start of them. Dining out is one of the few things I enjoy and I don’t want to lose that option or have to make a choice about the vaccine because of a mandate.
 

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Do people see vaccine mandates happening in Scotland? I am worried I won't have a job work in an essential shop I am terrified I will need to take legal action still
 

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Do people see vaccine mandates happening in Scotland? I am worried I won't have a job work in an essential shop I am terrified I will need to take legal action still
Unlikely, probably just legally need to take tests etc, I wouldn't worry too much about that here.
 

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They would need to try and get it passed through parliament first. Problem there is England might accept it and Scotland might reject it. So nothing to say it will happen.
 

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Unlikely, probably just legally need to take tests etc, I wouldn't worry too much about that here.
I ordered saliva tests but they are expensive and can’t afford to buy them so I hope not I can’t do swab tests I am sure there is medical exemptions for those with health conditions like autism not sure if anxiety is covered
 

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I ordered saliva tests but they are expensive and can’t afford to buy them so I hope not I can’t do swab tests I am sure there is medical exemptions for those with health conditions like autism not sure if anxiety is covered
The swab tests are super easy now, you only need to go up your nose, and they're also free to order online or go into any chemist and ask for. Would deffo try and address that fear ASAP, as I can see a big focus being put on tests in future, and if people aren't willing to be vaccinated or tested regularly then it's going to spread forever.
 

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The swab tests are super easy now, you only need to go up your nose, and they're also free to order online or go into any chemist and ask for. Would deffo try and address that fear ASAP, as I can see a big focus being put on tests in future, and if people aren't willing to be vaccinated or tested regularly then it's going to spread forever.
I don’t want it take tests every day maybe you are happy to but I am not the swab would cause me extreme distress and anxiety
We don’t test for flu!
 
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