Thanks well I hope you are right. Nobody knows how things will look post pandemic but my fear is look at airports vs 20 years ago so much more hassle. You need to show vaccine papers to eat out abroad so travel isn’t what it use to be. I hear a lot of people more optimistic about 2022. Hopefully all these rules endNo one is bullying or trolling you, and there's no pro vaccine bots, we're all real people, haha. You can do what you want, I said in my comment to you that it's completely up to you if you get it or not, but if not, it does mean it's only you limiting yourself in regards to holiday destinations, etc.
Hopefully the restrictions lighten up soon enough and you'll be a-okay
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I know it is different where you are but my daughter is getting ready to take a little vacation to Texas and attend a small music festival. Lot's of protocols in place. She hasn't gotten the vaccine but is willing to get the testing required to fly and get into the festival. I know traveling abroad is not an option for going many places without the vaccine.. I guess it's all about what precautions you put in place and what chances you are willing to take. I don't know when this will be resolved but might be awhile . Figure once they get a better hold on the virus. I would not think any longer than two years. Only time will tell.
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It is all about choice. I am all for the freedom of choice. But sadly the government has a choice as well. It is the choice of the government that is stopping you doing all the things you would like to do. The government had to do something. If they didn't people would have caught Covid and just carried on with life. Thus even more people would have caught it and people moved around freely. So they restricted movement. Whole idea of less movement, less infection. Italy is a classic example of how movement spread the virus in that country to begin with. For a while it was confined to the North of Italy. But they had no idea what they were dealing with. Then came a European football match. Team from the North of Italy were having their home stadium done up. Milan said ' you can use ours '. Thousands of fans made the trip down to Milan from to the North of Italy. The team they were playing were from Spain. They had thousands of fans come to Italy for the game too. Following that one match, the virus took hold big time in Italy and had been brought back to Spain from the fans that made the trip to Italy. Two of the worst hit countries, to begin with, in Europe, were Italy and Spain. It was all from movement. Before they knew what Covid was. The earliest cases to hit Ireland came from school kids who came back from the North of Italy. Is a ski resort up there. Had people of known anything about Covid back then, movement would have been retricted. Not just from that one football match. But people flock to the North of Italy who like to ski. Thousands upon thousands go there. Then they all went back to their home countries. Taken Covid with them. So this is why they restrict movement. They know what it can do. They know it was the main reason Covid took off to begin with.
We are all fed up staying within a certain limit of our houses. Granted we could go further. Within our own country. But I like to weigh up the risks and ask myself is it worth it? Is it a risk you are willing to take? Maybe just for a few days away. This Winter they will see how things are really looking. Once flu season comes around. Will all be about how things are then. Will it take off again big time? With it simply stay as it is? Numbers not going up. That is why they are not wanting people to take risks. Until they see how things shape up over the coming months. It is a right pain. But a pain we have to live with. A pain we hope goes away some day soon. Until them we will remain limited in what we can do. Vaccine or no vaccine. The risk is still out there. It will be for a while yet. Case of using common sense. That is more to keep yourself safe.
We are all fed up staying within a certain limit of our houses. Granted we could go further. Within our own country. But I like to weigh up the risks and ask myself is it worth it? Is it a risk you are willing to take? Maybe just for a few days away. This Winter they will see how things are really looking. Once flu season comes around. Will all be about how things are then. Will it take off again big time? With it simply stay as it is? Numbers not going up. That is why they are not wanting people to take risks. Until they see how things shape up over the coming months. It is a right pain. But a pain we have to live with. A pain we hope goes away some day soon. Until them we will remain limited in what we can do. Vaccine or no vaccine. The risk is still out there. It will be for a while yet. Case of using common sense. That is more to keep yourself safe.
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Look, I'm not trying to bully you. Really I'm not. I'm just pointing out a course of action that will result in less anxiety for you in the long run.
Of course you have the freedom to not get vaccinated. But you must realise that with that choice comes consequences for you. Consequences that by the sounds of it are causing you a great deal of anxiety.
I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that you have the power to solve your problems. You don't have to be held hostage by your fear of getting vaccinated.
That's a popular misconception that's just not true I'm afraid.
I'm not trying to troll you. I'm trying to help you.
Here we go, people disagree with you, and they're "pro vaccine bots".
You're free to not get the vaccine. Nobody will hold you down and force you to get it. If you get antigen test every now and then you won't be restricted with what you can or cannot do (which thanks to the NHS, won't cost you a thing), but you don't want to do that either. And if for whatever reason you're exempt from both, you need to speak with your doctor.
As for going abroad? Well, that's up to other countries, some of which are in massively different situations with case numbers and vaccine rates. You are a guest if you go, those countries do not take risks. The reality is that your right as a British resident to not get vaccinated ends at the border.
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You're free to not get the vaccine. Nobody will hold you down and force you to get it. If you get antigen test every now and then you won't be restricted with what you can or cannot do (which thanks to the NHS, won't cost you a thing), but you don't want to do that either. And if for whatever reason you're exempt from both, you need to speak with your doctor.
As for going abroad? Well, that's up to other countries, some of which are in massively different situations with case numbers and vaccine rates. You are a guest if you go, those countries do not take risks. The reality is that your right as a British resident to not get vaccinated ends at the border.
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Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workers - France 24
Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workers
My fear is they start mandating it they seem very heavy handed abroad?
They are mandating it for shop workers in Australia my fear is this could happen here?Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workers - France 24
Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workersamp.france24.com
My fear is they start mandating it they seem very heavy handed abroad?
I mean, you're quoting France which is traditionally a lot more heavy handed (has had mandatory vaccines for other things, whilst we never have) and which has a high level of mistrust of vaccines in general (got historical reasons, had a few scandals with vaccines, was initially only 40% acceptance as a result), which means theyve had to go this route to get out of the pandemic.They are mandating it for shop workers in Australia my fear is this could happen here?Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workers - France 24
Australian region makes vaccine mandatory for service workers
My fear is they start mandating it they seem very heavy handed abroad?
Not so much the case in the UK, we've always been fairly laissez-faire when it comes to other vaccines - theyll strongly advise it, but won't force it.
Mandating it for workers - my company is actually mandating it in US and Canada unless you are exempt, in which case prove it to HR. But the conclusion legal came to here would be that that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen if they did that here, particularly if you ask someone to provide medical information regarding a disability. Unless the law changes, and I can't see the current government be willing to change that - wouldnt be the votes, they wont be able to do that here. Pass on whether or not that is something the devolved governments would be able to change.
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I dont know, I dont have a crystal ball, you know. I can only guess. Few years. Same as I've said before about a million times.
Fly to Norway all you want without a vaccine or test, having been abroad - you won't be let on the plane back home without those things.
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Fly to Norway all you want without a vaccine or test, having been abroad - you won't be let on the plane back home without those things.
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I would suggest it is the fear of possible side effects that puts people off. As usual, all the scaremongering that goes on will make people shy off. I had both shots with no ill effect. My neighbour had hers and got a headache which soon went. Not a bad price to pay for some sense of security. I think Cuchculan has summed it up nicely.
Common sense, (which is not so common), should be the benchmark. Gathering in large crowds is, in my opinion, still taking risks. It all began here with the government allowing a large football crowd to gather and a race meeting attended by thousands from all over the UK. They knew it was a pandemic but were too late, as usual, to do what should have been done.
Common sense, (which is not so common), should be the benchmark. Gathering in large crowds is, in my opinion, still taking risks. It all began here with the government allowing a large football crowd to gather and a race meeting attended by thousands from all over the UK. They knew it was a pandemic but were too late, as usual, to do what should have been done.
I'm not pressuring him to take it unlike some other people on here, do understand why is wary - but he's not going to be able to board a plane back to the UK without either being vaccinated & paying for a day 2 PCR, or paying for a test before leaving + day 2 and Day 8 PCR, providing proof of those on a contact tracing form and being given approval to fly. Those are the options, that's the current reality. Airline wouldn't even let me check in without seeing those, then wanted to see it again at the gate.
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What fascinates me is the mechanism by which his anxiety over the vaccine ends up greater than his anxiety over catching covid. Evidence says the latter is BY FAR the greater risk, but his anxiety has decided otherwise. Why?
Is your health anxiety rational?
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His wife had a bad reaction when she got her first dose of the vaccine. She was unwell for a while. Now he had the fear before that happened. So that would have worsened his fear about the vaccine.
But what he has to accept is that he won't be able to do loads of things for a long time. Those are simply the new rules. It is the same rules for everybody. Otherside has explained how it works in the UK. What more does a person need to read. Just read her words and accept them. No going on holidays and the likes without the vaccine or a negative test. You may get out of the UK without both. But you won't get back into the UK unless you test negative. So a test would have to be taken. Which is something else he fears. The test. No doing very much at all until this is all over.
But what he has to accept is that he won't be able to do loads of things for a long time. Those are simply the new rules. It is the same rules for everybody. Otherside has explained how it works in the UK. What more does a person need to read. Just read her words and accept them. No going on holidays and the likes without the vaccine or a negative test. You may get out of the UK without both. But you won't get back into the UK unless you test negative. So a test would have to be taken. Which is something else he fears. The test. No doing very much at all until this is all over.
Hard to say, but if he is typical of anti-vaxxers, then no.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59028147
NHS staff being fired now too how long before they like Austria and Italy extend it to work places? I really do fear for my job my wife is worried we will lose the house over this vaccine. People always say don’t worry but it’s coming mandated vaccines isn’t it? And it will be 3 a year yesterdays newspaper said all under 50’s will have booster next year?
NHS staff being fired now too how long before they like Austria and Italy extend it to work places? I really do fear for my job my wife is worried we will lose the house over this vaccine. People always say don’t worry but it’s coming mandated vaccines isn’t it? And it will be 3 a year yesterdays newspaper said all under 50’s will have booster next year?
Sure you can die of a vaccine so why should it be mandated? Sure covid is a risk but let people decide themselves the risk of covid
Yes true but when will this crap be over? I fear it won’t be until 2024 when Trump comes back in and Boris calls an election