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No, because based on 3,000 tests for antibodies in NY suggests that total cases are around 2.7 million than the 250,000 current cases. I seriously doubt South Korea have done antibody tests on millions over there.
Are we supposed to test all 350 million people in this country? I can really see that working out well.
The point is that actual mortality rate is closer to that of 0.2%, however, the media shows so many bad cases, and only reports them, in the mind of an anxious person means a terrible Black Plague. Really, the media is responsible for much of the hysteria over all of this.
I posted in March before the antibody test came out. The mortality rate is very age dependent. The younger you are the lower it is. I don't think anyone under 10 has died.

 

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There was a new off branch of the virus talked about the TV here in Ireland this morning. One that does effect kids only. Thus far they are saying it may be linked to the virus. Though they are not certain. You can check this one out for yourself. Not coming from me. From the TV.

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There was a new off branch of the virus talked about the TV here in Ireland this morning. One that does effect kids only. Thus far they are saying it may be linked to the virus. Though they are not certain. You can check this one out for yourself. Not coming from me. From the TV.

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here is the truth, there are MANY viruses that are out there, many we have not come in contact with, that some will, and some won’t. They are out there everyday of life, and they pass us by, or we get a cold, and later become immune to it. Why did covid get so much attention? Let’s say it was never known as covid, all of the deaths might’ve been just pushed off as the flu, we might’ve discovered it as something else. It’s not as if there have not been cruise liners that have come to port with MANY people sick. As most know, we, that don’t go on cruises or trips to other countries, ever, or not often may not realize how many other viruses we can catch just from other territories, food, people, etc. this is where the “herd” immunity comes into play.
While I am not trying to make light of the coronavirus at all, I am simply saying how many people unfortunately do get sick, very sick from other things besides this, and that simply taking all the precautions (wash hands, wear masks, etc.) is the most common sense moves we can make. The one thing we CANNOT do, is stay locked up in our homes out of fear, with so many things we could worry about.
 

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Flu has never sickened so many people like we saw in Italy or NYC. It's really important for vulnerable people to isolate themselves. That included the elderly and people with medical conditions like diabetes, chronic lung disease or moderate to severe asthma, heart conditions,obesity, and high blood pressure.
 

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Flu has never sickened so many people like we saw in Italy or NYC. It's really important for vulnerable people to isolate themselves. That included the elderly and people with medical conditions like diabetes, chronic lung disease or moderate to severe asthma, heart conditions,obesity, and high blood pressure.
The Spanish flu did. That’s not what I said either.
 

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The Spanish flu did. That’s not what I said either.
I meant the modern yearly flu that goes around. The most who have died in a year is 116,000 since the Spanish flu. COVID has already killed that nearly many in just a few months. This COVID isn't just like most other viruses. It's highly contagions. I agree that we don't need to totally lock society down, but we do need to make sure vulnerable people stay isolated. The death rate is very high for the elderly at over 4%, and we live in a society with lots of older people.
 
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I meant the modern yearly flu that goes around. The most who have died in a year is 80,000 since the Spanish flu. COVID has already killed that many in just a few months. This COVID isn't just like most other viruses. It's highly contagions. I agree that we don't need to totally lock society down, but we do need to make sure vulnerable people stay isolated. The death rate is very high for the elderly at over 4%, and we live in a society with lots of older people.
ok, I didn’t want my post to get misinterpreted is all I was saying
 

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Your last line says it all. The media coverage sent me into a total panic and I realized that I wasn’t going to be able to cope unless I stopped watching. And that is what I did...no news at all. While I am not anxiety free (far from it), I am at least coping now and able to do my work.
Agreed. I too was freaked out by the news coverage. It served the purpose of emphasizing the reason to stay home and, when out for essentials, practice social distancing. But after a while the barrage of coverage got to be too much for me.
 

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Agreed. I too was freaked out by the news coverage. It served the purpose of emphasizing the reason to stay home and, when out for essentials, practice social distancing. But after a while the barrage of coverage got to be too much for me.
notice that now that people have grown sick of the same news, they have now changed to other, but still horrible, news.
 

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Here in Ireland we are asking for present day stats. They give you overall stats every evening. But we know 80 percent are fully recovered. So we want the here and now facts. They say 25,000 cases. That is since day 1. They refuse to answer the question of how many are actually still infected today. The recovery rate is high. More will recover too. Which makes what they tell us each evening mean nothing to us. If you get what I mean. Minus the 80 present how many would that leave infected? Their original estimate was over 1 million. Long way to go to reach that. Won't come close to that. So people are not bothering with the news and the numbers as they are not for today.
 

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Here in Ireland we are asking for present day stats. They give you overall stats every evening. But we know 80 percent are fully recovered. So we want the here and now facts. They say 25,000 cases. That is since day 1. They refuse to answer the question of how many are actually still infected today. The recovery rate is high. More will recover too. Which makes what they tell us each evening mean nothing to us. If you get what I mean. Minus the 80 present how many would that leave infected? Their original estimate was over 1 million. Long way to go to reach that. Won't come close to that. So people are not bothering with the news and the numbers as they are not for today.
Have they done antibody studies there? They did one north of me in Canada and found that 14 times more people have had it than previously thought.

"The statistical study led by researchers at Université de Montréal (UdeM) suggests that nearly half a million residents of Ontario and Quebec have had COVID-19, a number that is about 14 times greater than what Canada’s two largest provinces officially report. "
 

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Have they done antibody studies there? They did one north of me in Canada and found that 14 times more people have had it than previously thought.

"The statistical study led by researchers at Université de Montréal (UdeM) suggests that nearly half a million residents of Ontario and Quebec have had COVID-19, a number that is about 14 times greater than what Canada’s two largest provinces officially report. "
I didn’t read that article, but did it happen to give an updated percentage of death rate with those new numbers?
 

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I didn’t read that article, but did it happen to give an updated percentage of death rate with those new numbers?
No. But I see Canadian sources say things like this;
Mortality rate of coronavirus is 3.4% worldwide — more than double that of the flu.

And it's not really true. Divide 3.4% by 14 and get 0.24%. That's a lot less scary. And statistics show how age dependent it is. That means if you are not elderly and healthy your chance of dying is something like 0.003%.
 

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No. But I see Canadian sources say things like this;
Mortality rate of coronavirus is 3.4% worldwide — more than double that of the flu.

And it's not really true. Divide 3.4% by 14 and get 0.24%. That's a lot less scary. And statistics show how age dependent it is. That means if you are not elderly and healthy your chance of dying is something like 0.003%.
Not discounting the severity of this virus, but I really puts things into perspective
 

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I know they have found people who had it and didn't know they had it. Just living a normal life. Didn't even feel bad / sick. So we know that happens. What we are fed up with is them not taken away those who have recovered fully. That is a huge amount of people. And the bulk of them did not even have to stay in hospital. They could simply stay at home. That only all came out last week. 63 percent didn't even need hospital treatment. That in itself amounts to thousands. Who could simply stay at home. One thing they did botch up on here was nursing homes. Elderly and sick people. They were warned to protect these people well in advance. They ignored the warning. Once it hit nursing homes it was wiping people out very quickly. But the health experts say they done nothing wrong at all. As you would expect. They are not been open on a lot of things that we would like to hear more about. Present day cases been the first. Minus those who have recovered. More about those who have died. They used to tell us, at first, if they were old or were already sick. Which did make up all the early deaths. The country is opening up more. More people out there. More people back to work. Next review is the end of June. If all goes well phase 2 will begin. More workers and that allowed back to work. For now they are seeing how things go during phase 1. Testing every worker, every day of the week. We all know that can't go on for ever. Even talking about taken temps of people getting on trains. Too high and they tell you to go home. How can you do that with everybody getting on a train? That is a lot of people.
 

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Coronavirus infections more widespread than expected in L.A. County
A newly published, USC-led study has confirmed that, though many more L.A. County residents had COVID-19 antibodies than previously thought, most people have not been infected.

From a couple of days ago. As many as 7% of LA has antibodies - that's 700,000 people. The low estimate is 250,000. The confirmed diagnoses are only 40,000. That means 6-17 times more people have it than was thought. They've had 1900 deaths. 1900 deaths out of 700,000 cases is 0.27% death rate. That's still pretty high. It's much higher in LA that surrounding counties and no one knows why yet. They say lots of younger people in LA get it. In most places it's mainly older people. The Ohio numbers show 90% of COVID patients are over 60. In NYC it's 80% of deaths were over 60 and 93% over 50.

 

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So much other stuff going on in the background of all of this here in Ireland. School exams have been canceeled this year. These exams could shape the future of so many students. How will students be graded? By their teacher based on the full term. As of now that is not legal. What if a teacher hates a student? So they are making it legal. As a rule you sit your exams. You get your results. You are looking for so many points to get into college to do a course you might want to do. They have said if students are not happy with this, they can sit the exams next year. This is all going through the courts at the moment. Parents are not allowed contact teachers. Talk about crazy.

Then we have the crazy cow of a lady who likes to stir things up as a rule. She took a case to the high court against the government claiming the whole lockdown thing was illegal. The Judge threw the case out in about 5 minutes. You can google Gemma O'Doherty at any time. She is a nutter. She likes to hear herself talk. Most of what comes out of her mouth is BS.

We also have this thing were they want everybody in Ireland tested. Sounds impossible really. But your regular GP will be the one doing the testing. It was said. Will it ever be done? It is a lot of testing.

Then we had the rather odd statement from one sporting body in Ireland saying no games will take place until they find a vaccine. I think somebody told them that might take a year or two. They say they are willing to wait. This is sport that we play here in Ireland. Only money actually made is from the crowds who go to the games. If no people are allowed go to the games they would lose millions. The players don't get paid to play this sport. They are not willing to take a risk.
 

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notice that now that people have grown sick of the same news, they have now changed to other, but still horrible, news.
I don't know what other people are doing, but I've been staying away from most news. I want to make a major life change (unrelated to the pandemic) once we get to whatever the new normalcy will be, so I'm using the time to research for that change. I'm also working through my reading list.
 
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