THE NEW NORMAL - COVID-19 LIFE

Siphonophorae · May 23, 2020

Sorry you had to postpone your wedding! Very special event. The way COVID-19 is going, you may have to have a “private” wedding. Just you, your partner-to-be, and the person to read out the vows. Probably how others are doing it now. Maybe they’ll Zoom their wedding or something

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Mandyhiero · May 23, 2020

That stinks that you had to postpone your wedding. My brother just got married and they had about 40 people at their wedding. We live in Ohio so we’re opening back up.
The way I feel about the virus is, I live in fear about most everything else in life. I’m not letting this be one of my fears. You have to live. Sure, the new “normal” is gonna take some getting used to. But, I’ll gladly take it over having to stay inside 24/7. And I really honestly think that this will end up being like the flu eventually and everything will slowly get back to what it used to be. Regardless of what main stream media wants us to believe.

MainerMikeBrown · May 24, 2020

Having to postpone a wedding because of the virus must be hard. But you have to do what you have to do during these times.

MarciKS · May 25, 2020

This virus hasn't been easy on any of us. I've even seen the sane and the strong people crack under the pressure of it all. I think we're all gonna be stuck with it for a while and we'll need to find creative ways to work around it.

Rosie123 · May 25, 2020

Mandyhiero said:
That stinks that you had to postpone your wedding. My brother just got married and they had about 40 people at their wedding. We live in Ohio so we’re opening back up.
The way I feel about the virus is, I live in fear about most everything else in life. I’m not letting this be one of my fears. You have to live. Sure, the new “normal” is gonna take some getting used to. But, I’ll gladly take it over having to stay inside 24/7. And I really honestly think that this will end up being like the flu eventually and everything will slowly get back to what it used to be. Regardless of what main stream media wants us to believe.

I am concerned about giving the virus to other people, and everyone should be concerned about this. It's OK for you to take risks as long as it only impacts you. It is most definitely not OK to take risks and then expose others who did not choose to take the risk. That is the thing that makes an infectious disease a big problem. The is not a 'mainstream media' thing. This is a biological thing.

Mandyhiero · May 25, 2020

MarthaJane19 said:
Thank you so much!

That's what I actually getting sad about. Our wedding was supposed to be May 20 thisyear and everything was fully paid 250 guests and all.. If we do a private event the suppliers will not refund us..

Still trustung that by next year everything will be different.

Congratulations to your brother! I live in Manila and things are pretty bad here still though they are opening things up too. We rescheduled our wedding to January next year which was originally supposed to be May 20 this year

I'm really hoping this virus will disappear fast! People here are losing their jobs and all

Thank you!! I really hate that you had to cancel your wedding though. I’m sure you’ve planned for a long time for it and it’s just a let down to have to post-pone it.

Rosie123 said:
I am concerned about giving the virus to other people, and everyone should be concerned about this. It's OK for you to take risks as long as it only impacts you. It is most definitely not OK to take risks and then expose others who did not choose to take the risk. That is the thing that makes an infectious disease a big problem. The is not a 'mainstream media' thing. This is a biological thing.

I never said I was going out without a mask on, or doing anything for that matter, that would be putting anyone at major risk. Just like with anything else, we take a chance going out in public after all of this, I’m okay with that for myself, but if someone doesn’t want to go out then I’m fine with them exercising their right to stay home. And with all due respect, we can agree to disagree. That’s what makes the world go round. I do believe that mainstream media has blown a lot of it out of proportion. That’s my opinion. You’re welcome to yours being different than mine.

Rosie123 · May 25, 2020

Mandyhiero said:
Thank you!! I really hate that you had to cancel your wedding though. I’m sure you’ve planned for a long time for it and it’s just a let down to have to post-pone it.

I never said I was going out without a mask on, or doing anything for that matter, that would be putting anyone at major risk. Just like with anything else, we take a chance going out in public after all of this, I’m okay with that for myself, but if someone doesn’t want to go out then I’m fine with them exercising their right to stay home. And with all due respect, we can agree to disagree. That’s what makes the world go round. I do believe that mainstream media has blown a lot of it out of proportion. That’s my opinion. You’re welcome to yours being different than mine.

There are 100,000 dead already. And we are just getting started. So no, it's not been blown out of proportion.

Mandyhiero · May 25, 2020

Rosie123 said:
There are 100,000 dead already. And we are just getting started. So no, it's not been blown out of proportion.

Okay, Rosie. Clearly, you and I are not going to see eye to eye. There have been numerous doctors and medical professionals who have come out and said that people who die of other causes are being counted as Covid. I could lay out facts on why I believe the way I do, but I won’t because frankly, I won’t change your mind. And that’s okay. Like I said, we can agree to disagree. And, I don’t want to argue with you. No disrespect. It’s alright if you feel differently than me.

Cuchculan · May 25, 2020

There are a number of deaths in every country been put down to the virus. But there are also some deaths not been put down to the virus that were the virus. Works both ways. The real numbers could be off. But off in either direction. Italy, for example, upped their death count after a number of deaths were found to have come from the virus once the dead body was cut open. We have other cases, were only after death and the body been cut open, do they see it was not the virus. Bit of both going on.

This virus might be with us for years. Might simply vanish for now. But come back same time next year. Already we are hearing people say they would never trust a vaccine. That alone tells us, once we have people like this, the virus will always be there. Social ditancing might be our new norm. Face masks too. We all simply might have to adapt to a new way of living.

Mandyhiero · May 25, 2020

Cuchculan said:
There are a number of deaths in every country been put down to the virus. But there are also some deaths not been put down to the virus that were the virus. Works both ways. The real numbers could be off. But off in either direction. Italy, for example, upped their death count after a number of deaths were found to have come from the virus once the dead body was cut open. We have other cases, were only after death and the body been cut open, do they see it was not the virus. Bit of both going on.

This virus might be with us for years. Might simply vanish for now. But come back same time next year. Already we are hearing people say they would never trust a vaccine. That alone tells us, once we have people like this, the virus will always be there. Social ditancing might be our new norm. Face masks too. We all simply might have to adapt to a new way of living.
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I agree. But we cannot keep going on living like we have been for the last two months. People are losing jobs, homes, and they’re taking their own lives because of it. I realize that this virus is very real. And the numbers are high. But whether they’re fabricated or not, we still have to get back to normal. Whatever that is, may be different for everyone. And that’s okay. If someone wants to stay home and not go out in public, by all means, they should stay home. If someone wants to go out and resume life as we knew it, that’s okay too. We can’t fault people for wanting to get back out and start living again. I think it’s alright to wear masks, gloves, whatever to make everyone feel safe, but to continue to make everyone stay in just to make everyone feel comfortable, that’s not alright.
The points you made about it possibly coming back, vanishing, etc, they’re all valid points. But we aren’t going to know that if we don’t get back out and start living. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Rosie123 · May 25, 2020

We will wait a few months, after all the deniers are going back to their parties and bars and packed restaurants and packed churches, as we have already seen with photographic evidence is happening, without observing any social distancing whatsoever, and without wearing any masks, to see the belated impact of their selfish behavior. The impact is not instantaneous. It takes weeks or even months for the virus to make you sick, to make you sick enough to go to the hospital, to kill you. The thing about community spread is that innocent people who did not participate in these behaviors will die. People who are relatives or who are relatives of friends or whatever will die. People who the partiers don't even know will die because of their partying and the subsequent transmission. Mandy, I don't agree with you much, but if you are serious about wearing a mask if in close proximity to others, I agree with that, because then you will be much less likely to become an unwitting part of the transmission chain of exponential growth.

Cuchculan · May 25, 2020

I agree. No parties. Bit too soon for that. Here we are doing things in phases. Each phase will last more than a month. So if things get worse, it will show within the month. Today was the first day that we had no new deaths from the virus. That is something else. Yesterday we had 4. Heck we all thought 4 was great. To hear zero deaths? I know it won't be like that every day. But it encourages those who are doing the right thing to keep doing the right thing. Keep playing it safe. I play it safe. No need to take risks. Though others will take all those risks. As not everybody views things the same way. Then we have others who simply don't care.

anxiousinamerica · May 25, 2020

Rosie123 said:
We will wait a few months, after all the deniers are going back to their parties and bars and packed restaurants and packed churches, as we have already seen with photographic evidence is happening, without observing any social distancing whatsoever, and without wearing any masks, to see the belated impact of their selfish behavior. The impact is not instantaneous. It takes weeks or even months for the virus to make you sick, to make you sick enough to go to the hospital, to kill you. The thing about community spread is that innocent people who did not participate in these behaviors will die. People who are relatives or who are relatives of friends or whatever will die. People who the partiers don't even know will die because of their partying and the subsequent transmission. Mandy, I don't agree with you much, but if you are serious about wearing a mask if in close proximity to others, I agree with that, because then you will be much less likely to become an unwitting part of the transmission chain of exponential growth.

I've been seeing that on the news, and it does make me angry.

I realize a lot of people are out of work due to the pandemic who are suffering financially and can't afford to stay home indefinitely. I get their impatience in wanting to open up the country. In this case, their feelings are legitimate. Also, I realize it's mentally taxing for some people to be stuck in the house all day. Personally, it's less stressful for me to just stay home, because I'm a homebody and quite enjoy it. But that's just me. There's nothing wrong with people getting out, getting fresh air and sun, going for a walk, as long as they are taking the proper precautions and not risking other people's health and safety: wearing masks, keeping their distance. But all the people crowding beaches without masks right now? To me, it just screams selfishness, because it isn't like they're there to work.

It's good to be hopeful. Who knows, the virus may turn out not to be as bad as we initially thought, and wouldn't that be great? But the truth is, no one knows yet. And until we do, it's just better to be cautious.

I nay be off base here, but my takeaway is that even though this is an anxiety forum, it seems there's a divide between those of us for whom the bulk of their anxiety comes from the idea of staying home for a long period of time more than the idea of catching the virus, and people like me who are just the opposite. I'm an introvert who enjoys staying home, and dreads the thought of getting sick, so it's difficult for me to relate to the other type of person. Maybe this discussion is a good opportunity for each of us to understand the other side. Anxiety is a crappy feeling no matter where it's coming from.

Siphonophorae · May 27, 2020

Rosie123 said:
We will wait a few months, after all the deniers are going back to their parties and bars and packed restaurants and packed churches, as we have already seen with photographic evidence is happening, without observing any social distancing whatsoever, and without wearing any masks, to see the belated impact of their selfish behavior. The impact is not instantaneous. It takes weeks or even months for the virus to make you sick, to make you sick enough to go to the hospital, to kill you. The thing about community spread is that innocent people who did not participate in these behaviors will die. People who are relatives or who are relatives of friends or whatever will die. People who the partiers don't even know will die because of their partying and the subsequent transmission. Mandy, I don't agree with you much, but if you are serious about wearing a mask if in close proximity to others, I agree with that, because then you will be much less likely to become an unwitting part of the transmission chain of exponential growth.

My church is using social distancing. No one is sick yet.

Cuchculan · May 27, 2020

Be very easy to social distance in our local church simply because nobody ever goes to mass. Even before all this began they called off three masses. That is on the Sunday. Meaning they had only one Mass on the Sunday. Not enough people to fill the front row of seats. More to do with the whole Church that the actual religion. But the Church remains shut here. Oddly enough it is the one place I think they could open. They have one Mass on week days. Hardly anybody does be in the church. You could certainly social distance.

Rosie123 · May 28, 2020

Any place with lots of people that is indoors and where the people are present for a lengthy time is a big risk. So if you have a church that has enough room and fewer people more spread out, it lessens the risk, but it does not eliminate the risk, because it is still indoors and people are still there for a lengthy time. Singing, which is often a feature, spreads droplets over a large area; six feet of distance isn't enough in that case. Many churches have a large elderly population too. Churches around here are putting their services online, so people can watch from home.

Cuchculan · May 28, 2020

Over here they have been closed since day 1. Communions and Confirmations have all been cancelled. Weddings too. Funerals are family members only. Can't see them been allowed open any time soon. Just the numbers attending Church over here has dropped big time. Lucky to get 40 people at any one Mass. But you can talk to God from your home too.

Siphonophorae · May 29, 2020

Rosie123 said:
Any place with lots of people that is indoors and where the people are present for a lengthy time is a big risk. So if you have a church that has enough room and fewer people more spread out, it lessens the risk, but it does not eliminate the risk, because it is still indoors and people are still there for a lengthy time. Singing, which is often a feature, spreads droplets over a large area; six feet of distance isn't enough in that case. Many churches have a large elderly population too. Churches around here are putting their services online, so people can watch from home.

Mine too. My family is not attending, we’re just watching. Still church has been going for weeks but no one is sick yet.

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