Worried about COVID jab

[Phil10]

Anybody worried about the jab? Side effects long term ones? Dislike of needles that sort of thing? Chances of a pill or nasal option for this round of vaccinations looks low?

 

[Cuchculan]

In Ireland nobody will be forced to get the jab. It will be a choice. Plus there won't even be enough for the whole country. So there is a pecking order as to who gets it first. This is were so called herd immunity comes into play. Much safer to practice herd immunity if you have a vaccine. You give the vaccine to the elderly and sick and leave the rest to herd immunity. Well that is what they are hoping will work. But it still a good few months away. Nothing to worry about now. Wait until they get a fully working vaccine first. Then see how much of it is given to your country. If we look at Ireland, popularion of just over 6 million. We are said to be getting 1 million doses of the vaccine. That means 5 million people won't be getting the vaccine in this country. They are meeting to decide who gets it first. Lot of time to see the effects it might have on others. Most of us won't get it at all.

 

[Phil10]

True but in Scotland they have 4.4 million doses I believe so everybody over 18 gets offered the jab. Plus if you refuse they may stop you going to the cinema or football or flying?

 

[Cuchculan]

Nothing is certain as of yet. Not even the vaccine. Wait and see what is said when it arrives. That might not be for another few months. But nobody can force you to anything you don't want to do. If a small amount don't want the vaccine I am sure they will accept that. Once so many others get it, things should be safe. One thing I can see happening is entry into other countries been stopped if people don't get the vaccine. That one I will admit looks certain. Makes me laugh here. They are working out plans for a vaccine that is not even certain as of yet. They have a few vaccines that are looking good. But nothing is certain as of yet. People are jumping the gun. For now just chill. Wait to see when a vaccine will come out. It won't be this year. Might have the first one early next year. Just enjoy your Christmas.

 

[Phil10]

Nothing is certain as of yet. Not even the vaccine. Wait and see what is said when it arrives. That might not be for another few months. But nobody can force you to anything you don't want to do. If a small amount don't want the vaccine I am sure they will accept that. Once so many others get it, things should be safe. One thing I can see happening is entry into other countries been stopped if people don't get the vaccine. That one I will admit looks certain. Makes me laugh here. They are working out plans for a vaccine that is not even certain as of yet. They have a few vaccines that are looking good. But nothing is certain as of yet. People are jumping the gun. For now just chill. Wait to see when a vaccine will come out. It won't be this year. Might have the first one early next year. Just enjoy your Christmas.

That’s a problem as I travel a lot. Mostly Europe so hopefully they wouldn’t ban entry. Won’t it be more countries like NZ, Africa or Australia anyway? Often some of these countries want other vaccines on entry anyway?

 

[Cuchculan]

I think Eu countries will come to a common ruling on the vaccine and their countries. But the UK is leaving the EU. So that might make things a bit different. Thinking more along the lines of travel within EU countries. Some form of agreement. Look at it this way as well, countries are going to want as much business as possible after Covid. Some might be willing to let anybody into the country and long as they are spending money and helping their economy.

 

[Phil10]

Do you think if I refuse the vaccine I won’t be able to go to weddings cinema football ect? This is my worry now about the vaccine I don’t really want it I dislike needles and don’t fancy the side effects?

 

[Phil10]

I admit I had a nightmare last night where they tried to vaccinate me and I jumped away with the needle still in.

I have lots of anxiety about this I may or may not get it but I worry about a two tier society where life can never be normal for those who refuse? Back in April they said immunity passports for those who got a test that never happened somy hope is once enough people are vaccinated the virus becomes like the flu and not easy to catch and low numbers?
I also hate how I can’t plan for the future anybody got any tips?

 

[Cuchculan]

The whole idea of special vaccine passports within the UK was shot down by the government when mentioned. That won't be happening. As for you even getting the vaccine? There is a pecking order. NHS first. Elderly people second. No idea who is next in line. Chances are it won't be people of your age group. Only so many will get it. No need to worry as of yet. Things will still be the same for some time to come. Restrictions and all of that. They will remain in place. First wave will see only certain people getting the vaccine. Nobody else. Might be a good few months before more people are allowed to get it. Not a bad thing really. You can see what it does to the first lot who get it. As it is been rushed through in my opinion. Trials were still happening about 2 weeks ago. Now they want to start using it? Think about that. Boris wanting to get the UK economy back on track as quickly as he can.

 

[Phil10]

The whole idea of special vaccine passports within the UK was shot down by the government when mentioned. That won't be happening. As for you even getting the vaccine? There is a pecking order. NHS first. Elderly people second. No idea who is next in line. Chances are it won't be people of your age group. Only so many will get it. No need to worry as of yet. Things will still be the same for some time to come. Restrictions and all of that. They will remain in place. First wave will see only certain people getting the vaccine. Nobody else. Might be a good few months before more people are allowed to get it. Not a bad thing really. You can see what it does to the first lot who get it. As it is been rushed through in my opinion. Trials were still happening about 2 weeks ago. Now they want to start using it? Think about that. Boris wanting to get the UK economy back on track as quickly as he can.

Thanks I see in Scotland they now claim by summer for healthy people.
Do you think I can live a normal life cinema football holiday without a vaccine or will
I be restricted? I mean I honestly can’t see every single person In the uk taking the vaccine so surely they won’t restrict us all?

 

[Cuchculan]

There will be some restrictions still in place. Not as bad as before. They are starting to allow about two thousand people into football matches now. That is just a start. They want the crowds back. But life will be different for the next while. I still people will still social distance even after a vaccine. Just because they had been doing it for so long. Slip their minds that they no longer have to. The vaccine is not approved here in Ireland as of yet. Is not approved anywhere else as of yet. Just the UK rolling it out. I guess Boris wants to be the first. Not everybody will take the vaccine. If you give it to so many, things should clear up and get better. Plus herd immunity begins to work too. For a healthy person they would feel bad with Covid. But not as bad as an elderly person might feel. A healthy person could handle it. Just give the vaccine to those you want to protect first. then see where it goes from there.

 

[Phil10]

So here’s a question if you refuse the vaccine and are healthy how much of a risk will COVID be in 2022?

 

[Cuchculan]

The more people who get the vaccine, say about 70% or so, should be enough. So they say. They have been talking about herd immunity since day 1. With a vaccine it can work as long as you get the right amount to take it. Hope will be the virus will die off as so many people are protected against it. So nobody to catch it off.

 

[Phil10]

The more people who get the vaccine, say about 70% or so, should be enough. So they say. They have been talking about herd immunity since day 1. With a vaccine it can work as long as you get the right amount to take it. Hope will be the virus will die off as so many people are protected against it. So nobody to catch it off.

Yes this is my hope.

But if governments and airlines force vaccination that’s where my worry lies. I do hope so many get vaccine and it just goes away. When I was at school I remember skipping my TB vaccination but my life was never restricted.

 

[Phil10]

I wonder if I should sit this one out not go abroad wait till the vaccine hits and cases drop so low maybe another year sort of indoors like this year and it may be back to normal by 2022?

 

[Cuchculan]

From what I read business people are exempt from a lot of the rules that would apply to the vaccine. Not sure if it is true or not. But if you are going elsewhere on business, you might be fine. Might want to check that one out. I am certain the UK are doing it. Other countries most also be doing it. Economy wise.

 

[Phil10]

I can’t go on business so that rules me out. Some people say there will be restrictions others day not. Some say Spain will force vaccination on entry but then Ryanair says they won’t force people to take vaccine and it may be only long haul. It’s all very worrying right now I have no idea if I can ever go abroad again, host a large event with people all due to covid. It’s been that way all year life May never be the same for me. As I say there may be better treatments, tablet vaccines, saliva tests which I would find easier than the current testing or flu type jabs.

Future very uncertain which is awful if you have anxiety. Planning events use to be a way for me to escape my anxiety now I am living under travel restrictions all I think about daily is covid

 

[Cuchculan]

I guess a lot will depend on this vaccine for you and your way of life. Even if you don't take it yourself. the other options is getting tested before taken a flight. Just so they can say you are negative or positive. If positive they won't even allow you near the plane. Lot of airports have testing going on. Does cost a whack. Far from cheap. That might even become the new norm. So they can say that when you got on their airplane you tested negative. Here in Ireland they are allowing the normal thousands come home for Christmas. Baffles me. The rule is you are meant to self isolate for 14 days. That would rule out Christmas day and New Year's day. What is the point in even coming home? When your 14 days are up you will be due to go back. Not that I can see people self isolating. They should be all tested before they leave the country they are in. Fail the test and you can F off and don't come near Ireland.