Pfizer is now FDA approved.

[Fraser]

FDA has approved Pfizer. Unfortunately, I'll guess that the majority of holdouts who cite a lack of FDA approval simply pivot to a new rationale.; including "well, it was rammed through".

 

[TruthHurts]

You just made me think of a t shirt that I got as a gift once it said " I have a million excuses which one do you want to hear next?" I bought the person that gave me that t shirt a shirt that said " People that think they know it all annoy those of us that actually do" teehee ha

 

[Fraser]

You just made me think of a t shirt that I got as a gift once it said " I have a million excuses which one do you want to hear next?" I bought the person that gave me that t shirt a shirt that said " People that think they know it all annoy those of us that actually do" teehee ha

I don't know it all, which is why I trust the opinions of experts and science.

 

[TruthHurts]

I don't know it all, which is why I trust the opinions of experts and science.

I never said you did but the guy I gave the shirt to sure thought he knew it all.

 

[Fraser]

I never said you did but the guy I gave the shirt to sure thought he knew it all.

I never said you said I did.

 

[bin_tenn]

FDA has approved Pfizer. Unfortunately, I'll guess that the majority of holdouts who cite a lack of FDA approval simply pivot to a new rationale.; including "well, it was rammed through".

Basically. This happens all the time. Just like people who said they vowed to leave the country if Trump were elected in 2016. Or Biden in 2020. And presidents before them.

 

[Lanchparty7]

This will not change my mind about the vaccine. Yes, it not being approved was one of my concerns but there are a number of other concerns/issues I have that bother me more and I will leave it at that.

 

[Fraser]

This will not change my mind about the vaccine. Yes, it not being approved was one of my concerns but there are a number of other concerns/issues I have that bother me more and I will leave it at that.

If decide to continue down this track for the foreseeable future, your chances of getting Covid, or getting re-infected with it if you've already had it, are high (provided you aren't a hermit). I hope you're comfortable with risk/benefit of the possible side-effects to your heart and brain in comparison to the possible side effects from the vaccine and that you're getting your information from valid sources.

 

[Cuchculan]

If is not very effective against the Delta variant. As it was before Delta it was maybe around 80% effective. That figure has dropped down. Hence the big rush to get the booster shots out there. From what I read it gives only 90 days full protection now. ( 3 months ) Then the booster shot is needed. No idea how longer that extends your protection for. At the rate these variants are popping up, the next variant will probably be even stronger / worse. This was a vaccine made for the original Covid. If we are to believe the experts, what we are seeing now with the Delta variant is a lot different than that original Covid. Not saying you are not protected. You are. But just not as much wit this vaccine as you would have been a few months ago. The game has changed now.

 

[bin_tenn]

At the rate these variants are popping up, the next variant will probably be even stronger / worse.

I've heard / read that's the case with the Lambda variant as well as another variant that doesn't have a Greek letter name yet (B.1.621). That they're more contagious, though not inherently more dangerous (e.g. more severe infection) as opposed to the original COVID-19 virus and Delta.

 

[Fraser]

If is not very effective against the Delta variant. As it was before Delta it was maybe around 80% effective. That figure has dropped down. Hence the big rush to get the booster shots out there. From what I read it gives only 90 days full protection now. ( 3 months ) Then the booster shot is needed. No idea how longer that extends your protection for. At the rate these variants are popping up, the next variant will probably be even stronger / worse. This was a vaccine made for the original Covid. If we are to believe the experts, what we are seeing now with the Delta variant is a lot different than that original Covid. Not saying you are not protected. You are. But just not as much wit this vaccine as you would have been a few months ago. The game has changed now.

This is not true. You are still strongly protected from severe illness and death against the Delta variant with the current vaccines (and much more protected than the unvaccinated from getting sick at all). The reduction to 60% "effectiveness" means that you are more likely to get infected and show symptoms than you were with the original strain. You are not, however, much more likely to be hospitalized or die from Covid. Of the recent 8,000 people to die in Texas, for example, only 60 were fully vaccinated and of those 60 only 2 were under 60 years old. In other words, the vaccine is EXTREMLY protective against the Delta variant where it matters most.

Also, needing a booster has nothing to do with Delta, it has to do with the timeframe that the antibodies wear off in. We would still need boosters even if the Delta variant never existed.

What has changed because of the Delta variant is that we need something closer to 85% of the population to get vaccinated, as opposed to 70% in order to curb and kill the virus. Because a significant portion of people are basing their actions of misinformation and their own extremely poorly done research this is unlikely to happen any time soon.

 

[Lanchparty7]

If decide to continue down this track for the foreseeable future, your chances of getting Covid, or getting re-infected with it if you've already had it, are high (provided you aren't a hermit). I hope you're comfortable with risk/benefit of the possible side-effects to your heart and brain in comparison to the possible side effects from the vaccine and that you're getting your information from valid sources.

Honestly, I am not that far off from being a hermit. I work from home and basically don’t leave the house or my bedroom really Monday- Friday and when I do go out on weekends, it isn’t much. I go to the store at odd times if I can and always wear a mask. Plus, I have always had issues with crowds and did the social distancing thing long before Covid. If and when I return to the office, I suppose I will have to think more about the vaccine and I will at least consider it. I just don’t want to be forced to do it…I want to decide on my own. Unfortunately, I may not have that option where I live.

 

[ThankfulJen]

I'm a hermit too lol I always joke with my husband that people probably think he doesn't let me go anywhere or do anything because all anyone sees is him.

 

[bin_tenn]

I've also been a hermit long before the pandemic. I genuinely don't care for people as a whole, I'm very selective about the people I associate with in real life. I prefer to be at home almost all the time, and when I do get out I do it alone. Haha.

 

[Aries]

I don't like dealing with people but I'm the opposite of a hermit. Before the pandemic I want to over 200 concerts a year, many in halls with 2000 people. I think I had covid very early from trips to Boston in January 2020. It knocked me on my butt for one day and then I was back up and at it. I got my vax but I'm OK with people who don't want it. I belive in personal choice especially since none of these vaccines is a sterilizing vax. We will never eliminate covid. Just like the flu it's going to kill thousands of people every year.

 

[ThankfulJen]

@Ariei agree with you completely!

 

[Aries]

Hopefully they will develop a treatment like they did for AIDS. maybe they are onto something here:

UPMC, Pitt release results of largest clinical trial of monoclonal antibody treatment for COVID-19

Data from UPMC patients showed that the two antibody combination treaments bamlanivimab-etesevimab and casirivimab-imdevimab were not only safe but also appeared to be equally effective.

www.wpxi.com

 

[Gooze17]

If decide to continue down this track for the foreseeable future, your chances of getting Covid, or getting re-infected with it if you've already had it, are high (provided you aren't a hermit). I hope you're comfortable with risk/benefit of the possible side-effects to your heart and brain in comparison to the possible side effects from the vaccine and that you're getting your information from valid sources.

Unfortunately in my age group I am more likely to develop heart inflammation from the vaccine than be hospitalized with covid. At least according to a recent UC Berkeley study. There’s been several that show something similar

 

[Fraser]

Unfortunately in my age group I am more likely to develop heart inflammation from the vaccine than be hospitalized with covid. At least according to a recent UC Berkeley study. There’s been several that show something similar

Please link the study you are referring to.

 

[Doug97]

I belive in personal choice especially since none of these vaccines is a sterilizing vax.

I don't understand this part, would you mind expanding?