Objects moving faster than speed of light

[ras]

So I have been researching about the universe recently and I got stuck up on something that I can't find the answer to.
The observable universe is 92 billion light years in diameter, but it is only 13.2 billion years old. This means that the universe expanded faster than speed of light (which I confirmed is true on google).
But then on the other hand, objects can't move faster than the speed of light. So this just doesn't make any sense.
The universe expanded faster than speed of light which is not possible.
Anyone knows why or how?

Edit: I did some further research and found that it's not necessarily just the objects moving further apart from each other, it may also be space creating between the objects. If this is true or not I don't know, at least it's a theory. Now the other main question is how that space is created? and what is that space?
Here is an example of what I mean from something I found on google: if you have a rubber band and cut it so that is one long piece instead of a connected circle. Now mark with a pen a few points on the rubber band. (the rubber band is space and the markings are objects in space). Now stretch the rubber band out and the "objects" will have moved further apart and the "space" has increased.

 

[bin_tenn]

We can start with the idea that motion is relative to a frame of reference. Let's pretend earth is stationary (relative to everything else). If you're on earth and you look in two opposite directions, you may see a body in each side moving away from earth at the speed of light. From your perspective, each object is moving at the speed of light. However, from the perspective of Body A, Body B is moving, relatively speaking, at twice the speed of light. That's because Body A is moving one direction at the speed of light, and Body B is going the opposite direction at the same speed ... effectively doubling their speed, relative to one another.

That's my understanding. I'm absolutely fascinated by this sort of thing, and I read about it often. I don't claim to be an expert though, so don't take what I say as absolute fact.

Does the above explanation help it make more sense?

 

[ras]

We can start with the idea that motion is relative to a frame of reference. Let's pretend earth is stationary (relative to everything else). If you're on earth and you look in two opposite directions, you may see a body in each side moving away from earth at the speed of light. From your perspective, each object is moving at the speed of light. However, from the perspective of Body A, Body B is moving, relatively speaking, at twice the speed of light. That's because Body A is moving one direction at the speed of light, and Body B is going the opposite direction at the same speed ... effectively doubling their speed, relative to one another.

That's my understanding. I'm absolutely fascinated by this sort of thing, and I read about it often. I don't claim to be an expert though, so don't take what I say as absolute fact.

Does the above explanation help it make more sense?

I guess it makes more sense, but even double the speed of light wouldn't be enough to make up for the 92 billion light years.
So I was thinking maybe the speed of light in vacuum isn't actually the fastest possible speed, but the fastest speed we have discovered.
But that also doesn't make sense since we know the universe expanded faster than speed of light.
Edit: I just read on google that it's not the objects in space moving away from one another faster than speed of light, it is more space itself creating in between the objects. But this is very unclear what it means since we don't know what space actually is and also still makes the objects become further away from each other at a faster phase than speed of light

 

[bin_tenn]

I guess it makes more sense, but even double the speed of light wouldn't be enough to make up for the 92 billion light years.
So I was thinking maybe the speed of light in vacuum isn't actually the fastest possible speed, but the fastest speed we have discovered.
But that also doesn't make sense since we know the universe expanded faster than speed of light.
Edit: I just read on google that it's not the objects in space moving away from one another faster than speed of light, it is more space itself creating in between the objects. But this is very unclear what it means since we don't know what space actually is and also still makes the objects become further away from each other at a faster phase than speed of light

More space being created is part of it as well, yeah. I know how difficult it can be to grasp this stuff. It seems contradictory sometimes.

 

[Jonathan123]

It is very difficult for the finite mind to understand the infinite. Most of it is beyond our understating. The bigger the telescope the more galaxies they see. It seems space has no beginning or end. We humans always must see a beginning and an end which may not apply to creation. Buddhists say 'coming to be, ceasing to be'. The cycle of life applies to us as much as the universe. Stars are born and die. They have a life cycle like everything else. Light travels at 300.000 kilometres per second, or 186.000 miles per second, speeds it is difficult for us to comprehend. Our nearest star is 90 million miles away, the Sun. It takes 9 minutes for it's light to reach the Earth. The other nearest star is 4 light years away so if it went out now we would not know for 4 years!
But is there a beginning or an end? Humans have become accustomed to thinking so, but it is interesting that in The book of Revelations it says 'I am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end'. The first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. So the end and beginning merge into one and cancel each other out. The universe is endless and timeless. We have created time. We are the only animals that divide space into time.

 

[ras]

It is very difficult for the finite mind to understand the infinite. Most of it is beyond our understating. The bigger the telescope the more galaxies they see. It seems space has no beginning or end. We humans always must see a beginning and an end which may not apply to creation. Buddhists say 'coming to be, ceasing to be'. The cycle of life applies to us as much as the universe. Stars are born and die. They have a life cycle like everything else. Light travels at 300.000 kilometres per second, or 186.000 miles per second, speeds it is difficult for us to comprehend. Our nearest star is 90 million miles away, the Sun. It takes 9 minutes for it's light to reach the Earth. The other nearest star is 4 light years away so if it went out now we would not know for 4 years!
But is there a beginning or an end? Humans have become accustomed to thinking so, but it is interesting that in The book of Revelations it says 'I am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end'. The first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. So the end and beginning merge into one and cancel each other out. The universe is endless and timeless. We have created time. We are the only animals that divide space into time.

I don't believe the universe came from something either and time is made up. but that still doesn't explain how the objects got so far away from each other under such short time span

 

[bin_tenn]

I don't believe the universe came from something either and time is made up. but that still doesn't explain how the objects got so far away from each other under such short time span

You'd just have to research. I don't think any of us understand it well enough to explain it. Haha. But this is still a fun conversation, I enjoy it.

 

[MATD]

It is very difficult for the finite mind to understand the infinite. Most of it is beyond our understating. The bigger the telescope the more galaxies they see. It seems space has no beginning or end. We humans always must see a beginning and an end which may not apply to creation. Buddhists say 'coming to be, ceasing to be'. The cycle of life applies to us as much as the universe. Stars are born and die. They have a life cycle like everything else. Light travels at 300.000 kilometres per second, or 186.000 miles per second, speeds it is difficult for us to comprehend. Our nearest star is 90 million miles away, the Sun. It takes 9 minutes for it's light to reach the Earth. The other nearest star is 4 light years away so if it went out now we would not know for 4 years!
But is there a beginning or an end? Humans have become accustomed to thinking so, but it is interesting that in The book of Revelations it says 'I am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end'. The first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. So the end and beginning merge into one and cancel each other out. The universe is endless and timeless. We have created time. We are the only animals that divide space into time.

It’s one of the mysteries scientists cannot accept. They want and need answers but they don’t look in the right place, they refuse to accept what has been obvious all along. Some men just don’t have the capacity to understand, that life is more than just a beginning and an end, that God is the true reality. They remind me of the Pharisees Jesus spoke to. They just can’t seem to get it.

 

[ras]

You'd just have to research. I don't think any of us understand it well enough to explain it. Haha. But this is still a fun conversation, I enjoy it.

I did do a lot of research and I will keep updating what I find. Would be fun if you guys reading this as well put in your information you find as well
Most of the research I find doesn't really give an answer. Not even an answer saying we don't fully understand it. Which makes me think that we might be being lied too a bit, or not told the truth.
When I research about black holes for example, they give out information that they don't truly understand it. But with big bang they don't say that.

It’s one of the mysteries scientists cannot accept. They want and need answers but they don’t look in the right place, they refuse to accept what has been obvious all along. Some men just don’t have the capacity to understand, that life is more than just a beginning and an end, that God is the true reality. They remind me of the Pharisees Jesus spoke to. They just can’t seem to get it.

I don't believe in god though. just like I don't believe in science for this topic too. I mentioned above in my previous post that I kind of feel like we are being lied too or not told the truth. because what the science say of this just rebuts itself

 

[MATD]

I did do a lot of research and I will keep updating what I find. Would be fun if you guys reading this as well put in your information you find as well
Most of the research I find doesn't really give an answer. Not even an answer saying we don't fully understand it. Which makes me think that we might be being lied too a bit, or not told the truth.
When I research about black holes for example, they give out information that they don't truly understand it. But with big bang they don't say that.

I don't believe in god though. just like I don't believe in science for this topic too. I mentioned above in my previous post that I kind of feel like we are being lied too or not told the truth. because what the science say of this just rebuts itself

Science is not perfect because mankind is not perfect. Mankind lets their ego stand in the way of truth, literally blinding themselves from being able to see truth. There is much to be said about letting go of the ego and just standing in the midst of nature and looking at how it all works together as one. Mankind didn’t create it, so where did it come from? It reeks of intelligent design. But that’s a question you will have to find your own answer for. Hint: It’s the same answer for your question about the universe.

 

[ras]

Science is not perfect because mankind is not perfect. Mankind lets their ego stand in the way of truth, literally blinding themselves from being able to see truth. There is much to be said about letting go of the ego and just standing in the midst of nature and looking at how it all works together as one. Mankind didn’t create it, so where did it come from? It reeks of intelligent design. But that’s a question you will have to find your own answer for. Hint: It’s the same answer for your question about the universe.

This is true to a certain degree, I do see the creation of my own theory and not the theory of big bang. But I still think big bang happened, and I want to know how it is possible. this is where you have to believe the science to figure out your believe.

I don't belive the big bang made the universe, but I belive it happened.
just not sure how, and it seems like the science don't know either and they don't want to admit it.
And I am actually getting frustrated they don't let us know they are not sure how it happened
Or maybe I just haven't found that information yet. I have to do some more research.

 

[MATD]

This is true to a certain degree, I do see the creation of my own theory and not the theory of big bang. But I still think big bang happened, and I want to know how it is possible. this is where you have to believe the science to figure out your believe.

I don't belive the big bang made the universe, but I belive it happened.
just not sure how, and it seems like the science don't know either and they don't want to admit it.
And I am actually getting frustrated they don't let us know they are not sure how it happened
Or maybe I just haven't found that information yet. I have to do some more research.

“Science don’t know and they don’t want to admit it.” Arrogance and ego. The answers are there if one asks the right questions and if man is willing to see and accept the truth.

 

[ras]

“Science don’t know and they don’t want to admit it.” Arrogance and ego. The answers are there if one asks the right questions and if man is willing to see and accept the truth.

I am willing to see and accept the truth, I am seeking the truth.
I think you are missing the question here though.

Edit: I updated the main question for some information I found on google everyone reading this please take a look at the update and give your thoughts

 

[MATD]

I did tend to go off on the philosophical side of the conversation with Jonathan.

 

[ras]

I did tend to go off on the philosophical side of the conversation with Jonathan.

I want that stuff too. It's fun conversations
sorry if I am being unclear

 

[bin_tenn]

I did do a lot of research and I will keep updating what I find. Would be fun if you guys reading this as well put in your information you find as well
Most of the research I find doesn't really give an answer. Not even an answer saying we don't fully understand it. Which makes me think that we might be being lied too a bit, or not told the truth.
When I research about black holes for example, they give out information that they don't truly understand it. But with big bang they don't say that.

I don't believe in god though. just like I don't believe in science for this topic too. I mentioned above in my previous post that I kind of feel like we are being lied too or not told the truth. because what the science say of this just rebuts itself

Science is based in theory, but those theories are backed by observations. Tangible evidence of some kind. I also don't believe in god, and don't need to. But I also don't "need" answers to these questions. Sure, it's exciting to think about, but at the end of the day does it really matter? IMO it doesn't.

 

[ras]

Science is based in theory, but those theories are backed by observations. Tangible evidence of some kind. I also don't believe in god, and don't need to. But I also don't "need" answers to these questions. Sure, it's exciting to think about, but at the end of the day does it really matter? IMO it doesn't.

you are right, I don't NEED these answers, but I want to, and I am curious. And especially when I feel like the right information isn't being told. The science isn't matching and it just doesn't make sense in my head.
So no it doesn't matter, but then at the end of the day nothing matters, not your job, your house, your life. it is all just chemical reactions that happened to make us "conscious".(might make a thread about what I think about our consciousness)

 

[bin_tenn]

you are right, I don't NEED these answers, but I want to, and I am curious. And especially when I feel like the right information isn't being told. The science isn't matching and it just doesn't make sense in my head.
So no it doesn't matter, but then at the end of the day nothing matters, not your job, your house, your life. it is all just chemical reactions that happened to make us "conscious".(might make a thread about what I think about our consciousness)

It does matter to some people, and that's perfectly okay. The science does explain things quite well. In order to make sense of it, however, one has to understand the bigger picture. We can't just see "this is how fast the universe is expanding" and leave it at that. There are so many more factors at play to ultimately make sense of the implications of that piece.

 

[ras]

It does matter to some people, and that's perfectly okay. The science does explain things quite well. In order to make sense of it, however, one has to understand the bigger picture. We can't just see "this is how fast the universe is expanding" and leave it at that. There are so many more factors at play to ultimately make sense of the implications of that piece.

Of course there are multiple things that play in hand, but this information isn't given out or shown anywhere from what I have found at least.

 

[Jonathan123]

In science a lot of it is theory, and as in anxiety theory does very little to help. The 'Big Bang' theory is a good example. It's fine to say that the universe came from a big cloud of gas exploding, (reminds me of some politicians!!), but where did the big cloud of gas come from? Creation is virtually impossible to comprehend. As for why bother, well why bother with anything? It does make an interesting conversation and maybe it's good for us to concentrate on something other than ourselves.