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The care workers and NHS staff is a different one - those are working with very, very vulnerable people, and we saw once it got into a care home, it would kill the entire care home.

€100 fine, for what? Guessing that's not in the UK since it's not in £.
 

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The care workers and NHS staff is a different one - those are working with very, very vulnerable people, and we saw once it got into a care home, it would kill the entire care home.

€100 fine, for what? Guessing that's not in the UK since it's not in £.
Yes I think that’s Greece if they refuse. I know they are more strict in other countries but I fear stuff can spread here as it has during pandemic like the quarantine hotels and masks ect
 

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Yes I think that’s Greece if they refuse. I know they are more strict in other countries but I fear stuff can spread here as it has during pandemic like the quarantine hotels and masks ect
Why are you worrying about what they are doing in Greece?

You do not live in Greece.

Quarantine Hotels for if you travel back from a variant area and masks are a massive jump away from mandatory vaccines.
 

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As you never even had 1 dose / jab, Phil, are you sure it is not just them offering you the first booster over and over again, them assuming you are vaccinated?
 

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Yes I think that’s Greece if they refuse. I know they are more strict in other countries but I fear stuff can spread here as it has during pandemic like the quarantine hotels and masks ect
People that aren’t vaccinated are vectors for the virus. Simply put. So while it’s your right not to get the “jab,” please know you could affect others.
 

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She is that woman heading up the EU? Which the UK is no longer part of.
 

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Seems a National conversation is happening on mandated vaccines. It’s a real worry for 2022 so what do I do? Pay the fines? If I sell my house I have enough money for a new life somewhere without mandates or an island maybe? I would have a very large sum of money. Perhaps legal action but likely couldn’t win. For me there is no point to life if I have to take it once you lose your free will hopeless. It may not happen but if it does which is very possible I need a plan on what to do? The fines in Austria are 1k a month would outstrip my wage. I still wouldn’t have it so are we talking about doing jail time or bite the bullet and move somewhere else in the world despite that being a massive decision to make?
 

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It is not like you are the only person having to live this new life. You think anybody likes it? Even vaccinated people hate it. Case of just waiting to see if anything new happens. Stop looking at other countries. You don't live there. Just look at your own country.
 

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Seems a National conversation is happening on mandated vaccines. It’s a real worry for 2022 so what do I do? Pay the fines? If I sell my house I have enough money for a new life somewhere without mandates or an island maybe? I would have a very large sum of money. Perhaps legal action but likely couldn’t win. For me there is no point to life if I have to take it once you lose your free will hopeless. It may not happen but if it does which is very possible I need a plan on what to do? The fines in Austria are 1k a month would outstrip my wage. I still wouldn’t have it so are we talking about doing jail time or bite the bullet and move somewhere else in the world despite that being a massive decision to make?
What do you do? Get the vaccine. Stop being a potential vector for the virus.
 

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What you can do is get a little jab in your arm once every six months or get tested regularly or not go to restaurants/travel abroad. It's a lot like be forced to go and fight and die in a war, so I understand your trepidation.
I hope this was sarcasm.
I am telling nobody to take the vaccine. That is up to them. It is just as much a risk as Covid.
Absolutely not true. The risk of dying or of long-term health consequences is far, far higher with covid than with the vaccines. The two are not remotely the same; covid is in a completely different league.

This extreme level of fear over getting the vaccine is strange. Is it actually a needle phobia?
We knew these mandates would spread and I said how long before they strap you to a chair and jab you?
Might as well bit the bullet and just get vaccinated, then you can stop fretting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10262737/Europe-Covid-Time-think-mandatory-vaccines-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-says.html

This seems to be spreading faster than the virus itself. So people say ok nobody is going to force me to be pinned down to take the jab so what am I going to be paying fines for years? Perhaps jail?
Yeah probably.
Seems a National conversation is happening on mandated vaccines. It’s a real worry for 2022 so what do I do? Pay the fines? If I sell my house I have enough money for a new life somewhere without mandates or an island maybe? I would have a very large sum of money. Perhaps legal action but likely couldn’t win. For me there is no point to life if I have to take it once you lose your free will hopeless. It may not happen but if it does which is very possible I need a plan on what to do? The fines in Austria are 1k a month would outstrip my wage. I still wouldn’t have it so are we talking about doing jail time or bite the bullet and move somewhere else in the world despite that being a massive decision to make?
Then just get the vaccine. All your problems will disappear like magic.
 
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There is no doubt that the fear of the consequences of having a jab backed up by so much misinformation, is the cause of not everyone getting it. They may make excuses about civil liberty and human rights, but so often that is just a cover up for fear. There are many genuine people out there who do believe in the right to decide for themselves, and that has to be respected. But those who feel this way should weigh up the pros and cons and decide is it for their own good or that of their fellows.
Any real side effects from a covid jab are so unlikely it just is not worth bothering about. So few cases of blood clots or any severe illness have been recorded. This has been blown up by the media and has put the frighteners on so many people. As always we are over informed. Molehills can so easily become mountains if we allow it.
 

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Lot less patience now towards it here. Have 3 out of the 4 nations now putting in more restrictions back in because of covid. Have had some countries in Europe putting lockdowns in places. Given a choice between "do we lock down again" or "do we require a vaccine pass", the choice is going to be the later. That is why the "national conversation" is happening. That is why there are some passes. That is why there are the travel restrictions (And no, it is not against international law to require a vaccine to enter other countries as a tourist).

You go on some groups, you do your "research", without realizing that you've engulfed yourself in an echo chamber. Confirmation bias that what you want is the right thing. Anyone say anything different on here and we see people being called "Tyrants" or "Pro vaccine bots." Does not want to listen. Are back here every now and then saying the same thing.
 

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There is no doubt that the fear of the consequences of having a jab backed up by so much misinformation, is the cause of not everyone getting it. They may make excuses about civil liberty and human rights, but so often that is just a cover up for fear. There are many genuine people out there who do believe in the right to decide for themselves, and that has to be respected. But those who feel this way should weigh up the pros and cons and decide is it for their own good or that of their fellows.
Any real side effects from a covid jab are so unlikely it just is not worth bothering about. So few cases of blood clots or any severe illness have been recorded. This has been blown up by the media and has put the frighteners on so many people. As always we are over informed. Molehills can so easily become mountains if we allow it.
Many people alive today remember the rushed roll out of the swine flu vaccine in 1976. More people got sick and died from the vaccine than the flu.

Absolutely not true. The risk of dying or of long-term health consequences is far, far higher with covid than with the vaccines. The two are not remotely the same; covid is in a completely different league.
Not true. 30% of people have such mild symptoms that they don't even know they have covid. For them the shot is more dangerous than the disease. Many more people only have mild symptoms and they are not wrong to opt out of the vaccine either.
 

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So the figure of 8.5 million deaths from covid world wide is not true? The shot is more dangerous than the disease?? How many have actually died from a covid shot? Where does all this doom and gloom about vaccines come from? If people had refused smallpox vaccines years ago it would not have been eliminated. Millions of lives have been saved by vaccines. Polio, diphtheria and many other diseases.
Let's give credit where it is due. I have no time for the pharmaceutical companies and their vast profits, but on this occasion they pulled out all the stops to produce a vaccine. During the 'Black Death', the plague of 1665 in England, there were no vaccines and it is estimated that over three million died in Europe. The population was much smaller then. Bubonic plague has been virtually eliminated due to vaccines. Rabies is no longer the the threat it was due to vaccines. It's not just a personal thing because it is known for sure that unvaccinated people can pass on the virus more than those vaccinated. Or is it one big plot on the part of the pharmaceutical companies to make a lot of money? Conspiratory theories abound, and if we listen to them more fool us. I would rather be guided by scientific fact
 
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So the figure of 8.5 million deaths from covid world wide is not true? The shot is more dangerous than the disease?? How many have actually died from a covid shot? Where does all this doom and gloom about vaccines come from? If people had refused smallpox vaccines years ago it would not have been eliminated. Millions of lives have been saved by vaccines. Polio, diphtheria and many other diseases.
Let's give credit where it is due. I have no time for the pharmaceutical companies and their vast profits, but on this occasion they pulled out all the stops to produce a vaccine. During the 'Black Death', the plague of 1665 in England, there were no vaccines and it is estimated that over three million died in Europe. The population was much smaller then. Bubonic plague has been virtually eliminated due to vaccines. Rabies is no longer the the threat it was due to vaccines. It's not just a personal thing because it is known for sure that unvaccinated people can pass on the virus more than those vaccinated. Or is it one big plot on the part of the pharmaceutical companies to make a lot of money? Conspiratory theories abound, and if we listen to them more fool us. I would rather be guided by scientific fact
MANY people refused the smallpox vaccine. It has many side effects and kills a lot of people. But they didn't need to vaccinate everyone because that vaccine WORKED. Instead of forcing people to get vaccinations they should be finding ways to make vaccines safer. Lying and saying they are 100% safe backfires. 10 years ago a girl in my state died after getting the measles vaccine.

And 8.5 million deaths sounds like fake news to me. They count octogenarians with cancer who die with covid as covid deaths. Health care facilities get paid more when they register more covid cases so they inflate the numbers. Also they justify the big lie because they think it scares more people into getting vaccinated. Lying backfires.
 

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The Covid vaccine is very safe. Very safe. Much safer than getting Covid

I had the small pox vaccine and could not get into school without being fully vaccinated. Nobody could. Whom do you know that refused the vaccine? It was safe also

Vaccines only prep our immune systems for a virus. It doesn’t mean if someone gets a vaccine then they 100% won’t get the virus or any symptoms. That’s not how vaccines work. But it generally means that the person won’t be hospitalized or die. Or overcrowd hospitals unnecessarily.
 
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