So you don’t see those passports happening?
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Seems a global agenda though and in France people could lose there jobs what if I can soon no longer leave the house without a vaccine? People said it won’t happen but it seems to be?
My mother is facing being fired in a few weeks because she is refusing to get the vaccine. How can they force her to put a chemical/medicine in her body??!! That has to be against international law surely?
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You mother works in healthcare. I do think they all have to be vaccinated. Because of the type of work they do. My own Niece had to get it done. She was in bits after it. She works in healthcare too. Does be around a lot of elderly and sick people.
so how long before I have no job? I don’t work in the Heath sector but seems you will need this app just to leave house??
Time to go without a phone again
I already ditch it most days because of my anxiety. God I was in tears last night feeling really low because of all of this.The vaccine doesn’t even stop you from getting it and spreading it, just supposedly gives you a better chance of beating the virus. So it literally makes no sense to force people to have it.
I was thinking about care workers and surely if the vaccines means you still catch it and spread it but have less symptoms, if anything you’re a risk to other people now? Since you could be spreading it without realising?
I think if everyone who wants the jab can have it, then things can go back to normal. Let people decide for themselves BoJo!! This should be an individual decision for personal protection. If the vaccine works then there will be the majority of the population protected anyway, so no need to worry about overwhelming hospitals etc. since theoretically it should only be the unvaccinated in hospital if they catch it bad.
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See what I don’t get is we’ve all been told the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it or spreading it, just lessens your symptoms. So surely if she was vaccinated she could contract the virus, not know between tests as she could not have any symptoms (as opposed to when she did have Covid and was bed ridden for weeks) and she’ll come into work and be spreading it without realising?
Either way, if it doesn’t stop you spreading it then why force a vaccine? Plus It should be personal choice if the individual wants to protect themselves. We shouldn’t have to put chemicals in our bodies for the sake of someone else.
(Hope this doesn’t read like I’m having a go, just my thoughts!)
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Should see some of the other threads about the vaccine. Worth a read. Then you will know were I stand. I am like the person in the middle who does not care if people get it or don't get it. But we have others on here who will tell you will die unless you get the vaccine. According to them I am the bad guy. Because my opinions duffer from theirs. We have a Covid section. Have yourself a good read. You never know you might get into a good debate with one or two. I know I have.
Aw nah I don’t do debates lol but yeah thanks I may have a look.
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I know it’s a tricky question but when do you think I can travel freely to Europe again and also to a gig without vaccine status masks ect and all the covid rules? Do you see an end date to these restrictions maybe 2022,23, 24 or longer?
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That is the question we would all love to have the answer to. Last pandemic lasted about 4 years. But that was early 1900's. You would imagine we have come a long way since then. Medicine wise. Technology. So we could handle such a thing. The main issue is simply they were not expecting it. Caught off guard. Now trying to play catch up. I doubt next year will be any different. Still masks and social distancing. Every country might have their own rules for tourists. Case of waiting and seeing what happens.
Hope you read some of the posts by @Livvie Her views and your views are the exact same. About the whole vaccine thing. Good to have another person who shares your views.
Hope you read some of the posts by @Livvie Her views and your views are the exact same. About the whole vaccine thing. Good to have another person who shares your views.
I've had both covid and the vaccines. They tell me I have a "robust" immune response. I'd like to think I have at least some antibodies.
Those that don't want to get the vaccine which is your main reason...
Fear ?
Or
Being told what to do?
Those that don't want to get the vaccine which is your main reason...
Fear ?
Or
Being told what to do?
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I am not anti vaccine at all. In this thread I am simply just talking to Phil who is not a fan of the vaccine. More due to his anxiety. I know what Country Phil is from and am aware of a lot of the rules in his Country. As I do have anout another friend who was orignally from the same Country. i can simply put certain things to her and she will tell me fact from fiction. So more answering questions for Phil in this thread.
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For me, it is a combo of both of those things plus a number of other reasons why I have not gotten the vaccine. Here in the USA, Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson&Johnson are being used on a emergency basis and not FDA approved, meaning you cannot sue them if you have an adverse reaction. That is one of several things that makes me uncomfortable.
lanchparty7 I'm in the US. I held out for a long time, it boiled down to being afraid.
I did feel like I had a little time because I had covid and trusted my immune system kicked in.
Slowly I started considered it, read many studies which enlighten me and scared me too.
I have a very good friend that is a scientist, one particular study that concerned me she reviewed and explained to me paragraph by paragraph.
Looking at the numbers we have over 340 million injections given out just in the US.
I thought back to my kids, they got all their vaccines as babies. When they were teens the meningitis vaccine came out, I couldn't get to the dr fast enough, I wanted them protected.
Then I remembered myself as a child, getting shots in school, we stood in line and rolled up our sleeves. I remember getting small pox, rubella, TB tests. My mom would never put me in harms way, she called our family dr, he said yes and that was all we needed.
I spent many hours fretting and trying my best to be realistic, it was time.
We have walk ins for covid vaccines all over. I couldn't bear to make an appointment so I did a walk in, knowing I could walk right out if I changed my mind.
I got #1 and now am 2 weeks after #2. I realized after how it was looming over my head for months. Its a relief actually to have it behind me.
I did feel like I had a little time because I had covid and trusted my immune system kicked in.
Slowly I started considered it, read many studies which enlighten me and scared me too.
I have a very good friend that is a scientist, one particular study that concerned me she reviewed and explained to me paragraph by paragraph.
Looking at the numbers we have over 340 million injections given out just in the US.
I thought back to my kids, they got all their vaccines as babies. When they were teens the meningitis vaccine came out, I couldn't get to the dr fast enough, I wanted them protected.
Then I remembered myself as a child, getting shots in school, we stood in line and rolled up our sleeves. I remember getting small pox, rubella, TB tests. My mom would never put me in harms way, she called our family dr, he said yes and that was all we needed.
I spent many hours fretting and trying my best to be realistic, it was time.
We have walk ins for covid vaccines all over. I couldn't bear to make an appointment so I did a walk in, knowing I could walk right out if I changed my mind.
I got #1 and now am 2 weeks after #2. I realized after how it was looming over my head for months. Its a relief actually to have it behind me.
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I wish I could put it behind me but I believe even if I did eventually get the vax, I would still be struggling mentally. I know what some of the adverse reactions people have suffered…so that would be in the back of my mind. Plus, I have pretty bad health anxiety and think that post vaccine…I’d be even more hyper aware and honestly, freaked out about every little pain or sensation. I have a hard time making descisions..what to have for dinner can overwhelm me at times so naturally I would have struggled anyway with the vaccine descision.
We're in a tough spot Launchparty7, I understand everything you wrote.