I Had a Covid Breaking Point

[Fraser]

I am completely terrified of vaccine. The more they push it, the more I fear. I have had covid and I do have antibodies.

Why do you have to be so rude when you respond on this thread. People are allowed to voice their thoughts not just you. Telling someone to walk into traffic is beyond rude and not acceptable for this site or any other.

"Walk in traffic" is a metaphor for going unvaccinated, meaning "if it's just your life take risks." If you have antibodies, great. They won't exist six months after you had Covid. People that want to act flippant about people that die from Covid ("Do you think we live forever?") can absolutely, 100% eat sh*t.

 

[cheer_mom]

Has anyone had an inactivated covid vaccine? I see they are beng studied and used in some countries, but are not available in the USA.

 

[Doug97]

Has anyone had an inactivated covid vaccine? I see they are beng studied and used in some countries, but are not available in the USA.

I had the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which is similar to an inactivated virus vaccine. No ill effects other than a few hours of fever. Much preferable to Covid!

 

[Fraser]

I had the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which is similar to an inactivated virus vaccine. No ill effects other than a few hours of fever. Much preferable to Covid!

I've had both Astra and Moderna. Roughly same level of symptoms afterwards, mostly feverish and achy for about 24 hours.

 

[Doug97]

That was clever mixing the vaccines, supposed to confer even better immunity. How did you manage it, did you just ask your doc?

 

[Fraser]

That was clever mixing the vaccines, supposed to confer even better immunity. How did you manage it, did you just ask your doc?

Haha, no. I just took the first shots that were available both times. By the time of my second shot, the word was out that mixing was good, but if they were like "we have astra" I'd have taken that too.

 

[Aries]

We will get back to life as before, just like we did with the Spanish Flu, which kicked around for decades after the pandemic. Vaccinations will help that occur faster, with less death and destruction. Vaccine mandates will likely not be forced vaccinations, but more along the lines of "if you want to work at X company, eat at restaurants, go to movies, etc, you will need a passport." People will still screech about their "rights" because they don't understand what their rights actually are.

“All those pandemics that have happened since — 1957, 1968, 2009 — all those pandemics are derivatives of the 1918 flu,” Taubenberger told The Post. “The flu viruses that people get this year, or last year, are all still directly related to the 1918 ancestor.”
Because of this, the 1918 influenza outbreak doesn’t come with a neat bookend. Society moved on, but the virus continued in some form or fashion.

“We are living in a pandemic era that began around 1918,” Taubenberger wrote with Fauci and Morens back in 2009 for the New England Journal of Medicine. “Ever since 1918, this tenacious virus has drawn on a bag of evolutionary tricks to survive.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/

The normal is that we accept 100,000 people dying from it. This guy lived through the 1957 pandemic and he wrote this:

My first encounter with a global pandemic came in October 1957, when I spent a week in my college infirmary with a case of the H2N2 virus, known at the time by the politically incorrect name of “Asian flu.” My fever spiked to 105, and I was sicker than I’d ever been. The infirmary quickly filled with other cases, though some ailing students toughed it out in their dorm rooms with aspirin and orange juice. The college itself did not close, and the surrounding town did not impose restrictions on public gatherings. The day that I was discharged from the infirmary, I played in an intercollegiate soccer game, which drew a big crowd.

Say Your Prayers and Take Your Chances

Surrounded by amulets of the coronavirus crisis, I stare out my window at a city that may or may not be on the verge of disaster. To my right is a case of canned pasta. To my left are cartons of corned-beef hash from New Jersey and bottled water from Maine. I’m ready for whatever […]

www.city-journal.org

The normal after 1918 was accepting that many deaths. The new normal will probably be accepting over 100,000 covid deaths per year for a while. But after several years fewer people will die like what happened with Russian flu.

Here's a 2018 article:
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

The U.S. government estimates that 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease's highest death toll in at least four decades.

www.statnews.com

People hardly even batted an eye. When covid deaths get down to 150,000 a year most people will be fine with it.

 

[Fraser]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/

The normal is that we accept 100,000 people dying from it. This guy lived through the 1957 pandemic and he wrote this:

Say Your Prayers and Take Your Chances

Surrounded by amulets of the coronavirus crisis, I stare out my window at a city that may or may not be on the verge of disaster. To my right is a case of canned pasta. To my left are cartons of corned-beef hash from New Jersey and bottled water from Maine. I’m ready for whatever […]

www.city-journal.org

The normal after 1918 was accepting that many deaths. The new normal will probably be accepting over 100,000 covid deaths per year for a while. But after several years fewer people will die like what happened with Russian flu.

Here's a 2018 article:
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

The U.S. government estimates that 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease's highest death toll in at least four decades.

www.statnews.com

People hardly even batted an eye. When covid deaths get down to 150,000 a year most people will be fine with it.

Lol, nobody thought the outlier year of 1957 was normal. Not then, and not now. And yeah, when Covid numbers get down to flu levels, it will likely be considered normal. And?

 

[cheer_mom]

Craziest thing happened. I got on facebook and saw my local news talking about how covid has reached same number as Spanish Flu. Caught my eye because i was reading this thread this afternoon about the comparison then boom it was.on the news. I hate that covid is ha ing such a deadly wffect on so many. I pray for all! My son literally got sent home from school because he was a close contact. He is out of school for 14 days.

 

[bin_tenn]

Craziest thing happened. I got on facebook and saw my local news talking about how covid has reached same number as Spanish Flu. Caught my eye because i was reading this thread this afternoon about the comparison then boom it was.on the news. I hate that covid is ha ing such a deadly wffect on so many. I pray for all! My son literally got sent home from school because he was a close contact. He is out of school for 14 days.

Our older two (middle school and high school) have been contact traced multiple times between last school year and the current year, and they have to quarantine for between 10-14 days each time. It's an unfortunate side effect of the larger issue (COVID itself), because children are basically missing out on important education because of it. Meaning the negative effects of the virus are absolutely not constrained simply to those who actually contract it.

 

[Aries]

Lol, nobody thought the outlier year of 1957 was normal. Not then, and not now. And yeah, when Covid numbers get down to flu levels, it will likely be considered normal. And?

It was so normal that in 1968 people hardly batted an eye when the Hong Kong flu killed 100,000 people in the US. That's the equivalent of 165,000 deaths today given the lower population. But ho hum people went about their business. It didn't stop 300,000 people from gathering at Woodstock.
Why life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Patti Mulhearn Lydon, 68, doesn’t have rose-colored memories of attending Woodstock in August 1969. The rock festival, which took place over four days in Bethel, NY, mostly reminds her of being cov…

nypost.com

 

[Jonathan123]

If we deny people the right choose what they want in their bodies then we begin to erode the basic laws of Democracy. Choice is and must always be paramount. I have friends who will not be vaccinated on religious grounds. There are those who do it on moral grounds. To some devoutly religious people having a blood transfusion is wrong. I have had my two shots with no ill effects. But that's my choice. Please, don't let us fall out with each other over such a subject. Tolerance and the right to choose are so important.

 

[Fraser]

If we deny people the right choose what they want in their bodies then we begin to erode the basic laws of Democracy. Choice is and must always be paramount. I have friends who will not be vaccinated on religious grounds. There are those who do it on moral grounds. To some devoutly religious people having a blood transfusion is wrong. I have had my two shots with no ill effects. But that's my choice. Please, don't let us fall out with each other over such a subject. Tolerance and the right to choose are so important.

I'm not going to hold anyone down and force the vaccine into their body. But also, their body is not going to be in the same space as mine, because they aren't allowed to be at the restaurants, movie theatres, schools and work spaces that I go to. To be clear, their exclusion from those spaces is also their choice.

It was so normal that in 1968 people hardly batted an eye when the Hong Kong flu killed 100,000 people in the US. That's the equivalent of 165,000 deaths today given the lower population. But ho hum people went about their business. It didn't stop 300,000 people from gathering at Woodstock.
Why life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Patti Mulhearn Lydon, 68, doesn’t have rose-colored memories of attending Woodstock in August 1969. The rock festival, which took place over four days in Bethel, NY, mostly reminds her of being cov…

nypost.com

Me: Nobody thought X year was normal.

You: Here's a New York Post editorial about a different year from half a century ago where 1/3 as many people died though.

 

[Fraser]

 

[Doug97]

Is anyone curious how 3,000 people died from a 4oz shampoo bottle??
Were they sticking it where they shouldn't?

 

[AriaRen]

Is anyone curious how 3,000 people died from a 4oz shampoo bottle??
Were they sticking it where they shouldn't?

It's referencing 9/11

 

[Doug97]

Ah right

 

[Fraser]

Is anyone curious how 3,000 people died from a 4oz shampoo bottle??
Were they sticking it where they shouldn't?

It's talking about the measures that were put in place as a result of 9/11. Similarly, the majority of Americans who are now up in arms about Covid protocols were very willing to see the Patriot Act enforced. It's almost like the issue isn't actually freedom or what freedoms we are willing to compromise in relation to a death count. It's almost like there are other things in play here... I wonder what they could be?

 

[Doug97]

The culture war.

Culture war - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Aries]

It's talking about the measures that were put in place as a result of 9/11. Similarly, the majority of Americans who are now up in arms about Covid protocols were very willing to see the Patriot Act enforced. It's almost like the issue isn't actually freedom or what freedoms we are willing to compromise in relation to a death count. It's almost like there are other things in play here... I wonder what they could be?

Orange man?