Forced Vaccine Requirement

[ThankfulJen]

I stick by what I posted.

 

[bin_tenn]

Believe me, nothing meant by this, but not surprised to read what your employers says, as you’re in Tennessee.

Surprise! My employer doesn't have any offices in Tennessee... Closest office is 300 miles away from me, with another (that being the one that made these decisions) almost twice that distance from me in the opposite direction.

 

[Cuchculan]

Surprise! My employer doesn't have any offices in Tennessee... Closest office is 300 miles away from me, with another (that being the one that made these decisions) almost twice that distance from me in the opposite direction.

And here was me thinking they were good at checking their facts before they made their posts.

 

[Phillies Phan]

Surprise! My employer doesn't have any offices in Tennessee... Closest office is 300 miles away from me, with another (that being the one that made these decisions) almost twice that distance from me in the opposite direction.

My mistake. I made an Ass-umption

And here was me thinking they were good at checking their facts before they made their posts.

How could I possibly have checked my facts as you put it? Believe it or not, Bin and I are not real life buds. Chill my Irish rose.

I stick by what I posted.

I know you do, Jen. But it’s not all about one person, when their acts or omissions affect others. I hope no one you love is denied care because Wyoming’s hospitals are too full to help them. Do you know in Ontario during the 3rd wave doctors were actually told that it may come down to triaging which of their patients to treat and which not, based upon their probability of survival. Thank God it didn’t come to that, but it almost came down to Toronto hospitals becoming MASH units.

 

[bin_tenn]

My mistake. I made an Ass-umption

LoL it's all good.

 

[ThankfulJen]

I know you do, Jen. But it’s not all about one person, when their acts or omissions affect others. I hope no one you love is denied care because Wyoming’s hospitals are too full to help them. Do you know in Ontario during the 3rd wave doctors were actually told that it may come down to triaging which of their patients to treat and which not, based upon their probability of survival. Thank God it didn’t come to that, but it almost came down to Toronto hospitals becoming MASH units.

No, it isn't all about one person. I have 4 daughters and a husband. I have parents who are both 62. I have many nieces and nephews; children of my brother and sister. I mask up whenever I go into a public setting. We all do. We wash our hands. We rarely go many places. If we need to get out, we go to the lake or the mountains. No one gets out much in winter around here. My husband drives truck for a concrete company. He masks up when he works. I homeschool my kids and will continue to do so. Have since they first closed the schools down due to the pandemic. I am responsible for myself and for those around me that I love. We take all necessary precautions recommended. I choose not to take the vaccine as of now. I would not dream of forcing others to take it and that's how many people in Wyoming feel. So I am very thankful to live here. I have looked into both sides of the argument. I am not refusing the vaccine because I'm a rebel 'right wing extremist'. It is a personal choice and I value personal choice for everyone.

 

[Fraser]

It's a personal choice as to whether or not you smoke in your own house in front of your kids. The fact that it's a personal choice doesn't mean it isn't misinformed and dangerous.

This…

For my friends and family who have recently gotten their CV shot or who know they will get one soon, awesome for you. I can see how relieved you are and I’m so glad that this option is available for you!

For my friends who aren’t sure they will get one just yet, or maybe ever, or already know that they never will, I want to throw some love and respect your way, too. I am happy that you have that choice. Medical freedom is important.

The wonderful thing about informed consent is that two people with the same information, can make two completely different choices and neither of them is right or wrong. That is what medical freedom is and should be.
There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision! The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it....great!

What’s right for one person, may be wrong for the other. Both, on an intuitive and biological level. We’re all doing the best we can with the information we hopefully have spent time digging into.
Let this be a gentle reminder *for all* to please respect each other and be mindful of the message we put out there. Is everyone “wrong” because they believe differently than you? They very likely have just as strong of a reason for their choice as you do.

Reminder this information is also part of ones personal health information act and you have the right to not answer when asked whether you choose to get the shot or not.
So whether you choose;
CV shot
No shot
Tequila shot
You’re okay in my books and I respect YOUR DECISION
#medicalfreedom #slipperyslope
You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.
“Copied + Pasted because we all need to know about the Personal Health Act!" 

People are wrong when they believe in refuted junk science and use that misinformation to form their choices. Whether or not you're "comfortable" with making a wrong decision is irrelevant. If I think banging my head against the wall helps cure cancer because I read that on Facebook, that doesn't make it so and my decision isn't informed just because I believe it.

 

[ThankfulJen]

Good for you, Frazer. Doesn't apply to me

 

[bin_tenn]

Good for you, Frazer. Doesn't apply to me

I have no plans to be vaccinated against COVID. I know flu and covid are NOT the same, but I can say I have never had a flu shot in my life and I've never had the flu.

 

[Fraser]

Good for you, Frazer. Doesn't apply to me

It 100% applies to you. You have, on these forums, provided links to your reasoning on Covid rife with misinformation and when provided with evidence simply buried your head deeper in the sand.

I have no plans to be vaccinated against COVID. I know flu and covid are NOT the same, but I can say I have never had a flu shot in my life and I've never had the flu.

"I have no plans to wear a seatbelt. I've been driving for years and I've never had a bad car accident."

 

[ThankfulJen]

100% applies to you. You have, on these forums, provided links to your reasoning on Covid rife with misinformation and when provided with evidence simply buried your head deeper in the sand

I think I provided two links and then I thought, why? It's not my job to convince anyone to get the vaccine nor will I discourage it for anyone who wants it. That's the difference between you and I. I don't spend my time telling others they are terrible people for the decisions they make. Like a seatbelt. If someone doesn't want to wear their seatbelt, I don't go up to their car and b**** at them for 5 minutes. I'm not big on telling others how they should live.

 

[bin_tenn]

It 100% applies to you. You have, on these forums, provided links to your reasoning on Covid rife with misinformation and when provided with evidence simply buried your head deeper in the sand.


"I have no plans to wear a seatbelt. I've been driving for years and I've never had a bad car accident."

Oh well.

 

[Cuchculan]

No point in posting anything about Covid or the Vaccine because Fraser always has to have the last word. Even if you were to agree with him. He would post after you. Just to still have that last word. Just one of those people. Last word on everything.

 

[Fraser]

I think I provided two links and then I thought, why? It's not my job to convince anyone to get the vaccine nor will I discourage it for anyone who wants it. That's the difference between you and I. I don't spend my time telling others they are terrible people for the decisions they make. Like a seatbelt. If someone doesn't want to wear their seatbelt, I don't go up to their car and b**** at them for 5 minutes. I'm not big on telling others how they should live.

Except it's not really like wearing a seatbelt is it? That was a bad comparison on my part. It's more like drunk driving, since you're endangering the lives of others. Regardless, if I'm on a forum and people are telling other people that not wearing a seatbelt or not having their kids wear a seatbelt is an "informed decision" if it is "right for them" then yeah, I'll say something.

"Smoking cigarettes doesn't cause cancer."

"Actually it does. Here's the proof."

"STOP TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE MY TRUTH!"

No point in posting anything about Covid or the Vaccine because Fraser always has to have the last word. Even if you were to agree with him. He would post after you. Just to still have that last word. Just one of those people. Last word on everything.

Sure.

 

[ThankfulJen]

 

[Fraser]

"2 + 2 = 5"

"No, 2 + 2 = 4."

"You think I'm a terrible person? You think you're better than me? Etc, etc."

Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds

New discoveries about the human mind show the limitations of reason.

www.newyorker.com

 

[Lanchparty7]

No, it isn't all about one person. I have 4 daughters and a husband. I have parents who are both 62. I have many nieces and nephews; children of my brother and sister. I mask up whenever I go into a public setting. We all do. We wash our hands. We rarely go many places. If we need to get out, we go to the lake or the mountains. No one gets out much in winter around here. My husband drives truck for a concrete company. He masks up when he works. I homeschool my kids and will continue to do so. Have since they first closed the schools down due to the pandemic. I am responsible for myself and for those around me that I love. We take all necessary precautions recommended. I choose not to take the vaccine as of now. I would not dream of forcing others to take it and that's how many people in Wyoming feel. So I am very thankful to live here. I have looked into both sides of the argument. I am not refusing the vaccine because I'm a rebel 'right wing extremist'. It is a personal choice and I value personal choice for everyone.

Well said…especially agree with your final sentence! I am also unvaccinated by choice...the only one in my family including my immediate family I live with. I work from home…have since March 2020 and will continue to do so for the “foreseeable future” according to my employer. I don’t get out much due to this but when I do, I still wear a mask and avoid crowds whenever possible. But I have always had an issue with crowds long before covid and was social distancing before it was a thing.

Here is my concern right now…my state is the polar opposite of Wyoming. The governor here (you all know him from his many tv appearances and the many uh, headlines he was made) would force it on everyone if he could…and believe me, he will damn will try his hardest. There are a lot of judgemental people (including the ones who run my county) who have taken it upon themselves to lecture, demean and basically make unvaxxed people pariahs of society. I don’t like that and their holier than thou preaching (especially the governor) it is really off putting and makes me less likely to change my mind. It is also more likely than not my employer will require it for a return to the office as they have said in the past that they are relying on what the state and the CDC says. I won’t take it even then, will look eleswhere for work. Want out of this miserable state anyway.

 

[ThankfulJen]

I have always had an issue with crowds long before covid and was social distancing before it was a thing.

Same!

. I don’t like that and their holier than thou preaching (especially the governor) it is really off putting and makes me less likely to change my mind. It is also more likely than not my employer will require it for a return to the office as they have said in the past that they are relying on what the state and the CDC says. I won’t take it even then, will look eleswhere for work. Want out of this miserable state anyway.

No. I don't blame you. That's exactly what I would do if anyone tried to force me. Also, you are always welcome in Wyoming. Least populated State. We have plenty of room

 

[Phillies Phan]

Same!

No. I don't blame you. That's exactly what I would do if anyone tried to force me. Also, you are always welcome in Wyoming. Least populated State. We have plenty of room

It is a beautiful state. I once drove through the eastern part of it. Now just put Dick Cheney out to pasture, and make Liz your governor and maybe I’ll revisit the Yellowstone state.

BTW, Andy Cuomo is my hero

 

[ThankfulJen]

Well Dick is living in Nebraska and Liz.....we all know what happened to her. She probably won't be voted in again as anything here. Wyoming really is beautiful. You are always welcome, too!