Forced Vaccine Requirement

Personally no. I would want my employers to ask that staff are vaccinated and I expect they will where I work. In lieu of that, yep, weekly Covid tests.

My employer has already stated very succinctly that they believe vaccination is a personal choice, and that they'll never require employees to be vaccinated. We are also not opening any of the offices back up yet, except in extremely limited capacity and only "as needed".

gadamsgrega2 said:

Not sure how many of you live here in the USA but I do... Lately there has been a LOT of news put out there about how they are going to force employers to get vaccinated at businesses.. Right now, they are doing the Veterans Hospitals but are working there way out to ALL gov't agencies face "getting the vaccine" or get weekly covid19 tests... It's a bit ridiculous since the survival rate of this virus in getting over it is around 99.5%

But I feel a sort of pressure now like I personally am going to have to go and get the vaccine which I personally do not want to do.. It's the first time in my 47 years when I felt I had no choice in the matter which is not right... So of course I feel some of the anxiety and tension that comes with this. Anyone else here on the same page as me?

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I’m slightly nervous about it. But I can also procure my own food without going to a store so that helps the worry a bit. They will probably try and mandate it, but there will be a lot of pushback to that and they’ll end up settling for something else

George Orwell. 1984. Here we come. Have heard a lot of BS talk. Including people not allowed leave their homes unless vaccinated. That will never happen. Places of work can make a choice on it. But any worker can refuse the vaccine. If they get fired from their job they could challenge it. Not everybody lives in Fraser's little world. Get the vaccine or be doomed. Some of us live in the real world. A world were people have basic human rights. Nobody can force anything on you. This is not Nazi Germany. They won't start taken people out into the streets and lining them up against a wall and shooting them. Part of your basic human rights includes food too. They will not stop you getting food. Did hear that one mentioned too. Only vaccinated people allowed in shops. So they let people starve who are not vaccinated? Make them all unemployed? Create a number of third world countries in some of the most powerful countries on this Earth? All without people fighting back.

Cuchculan said:

George Orwell. 1984. Here we come. Have heard a lot of BS talk. Including people not allowed leave their homes unless vaccinated. That will never happen. Places of work can make a choice on it. But any worker can refuse the vaccine. If they get fired from their job they could challenge it. Not everybody lives in Fraser's little world. Get the vaccine or be doomed. Some of us live in the real world. A world were people have basic human rights. Nobody can force anything on you. This is not Nazi Germany. They won't start taken people out into the streets and lining them up against a wall and shooting them. Part of your basic human rights includes food too. They will not stop you getting food. Did hear that one mentioned too. Only vaccinated people allowed in shops. So they let people starve who are not vaccinated? Make them all unemployed? Create a number of third world countries in some of the most powerful countries on this Earth? All without people fighting back.

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Or, I dunno, if your brain is polluted with vaccine misinformation, take the weekly Covid test if you work in an office where the choices are be vaccinated or take the test. But sure, getting your nose swabbed to keep your workplace safe is just like being shot in Nazi Germany.

Private business can in fact mandate the vaccine as an employment requirement, just like they can do random drug testing or require a passed physical if your job requires you to perform physical activity.

Iugrad91 said:

Private business can in fact mandate the vaccine as an employment requirement, just like they can do random drug testing or require a passed physical if your job requires you to perform physical activity.

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Pass a physical for firefighters? What's next, gas chambers? SMH.

Fraser said:

Passed physical for firefighters? What's next, gas chambers? SMH.

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...what?

bin_tenn said:

...what?

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Firefighters have to pass a physical in order to be firefighters. Employers can, and will, make those types of demands on employees. All of none of that is a violation of anyone's rights, nor it is analogous to a fascist, genocidal state. I didn't bring up Nazi Germany, just rolling with it.

Fraser said:

Firefighters have to pass a physical in order to be firefighters. Employers can, and will, make those types of demands on employees. All of none of that is a violation of anyone's rights, nor it is analogous to a fascist, genocidal state. I didn't bring up Nazi Germany, just rolling with it.

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I just didn't understand your reply, but I get it now. I stay away from the BS, so I'll check back out. Haha.

I don't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine they don't feel comfortable getting. Having said that, I do believe if you don't want to get vaccinated, then wear a mask and continue to social distance. I don't think people have the right to endanger other people who can't get the vaccine or have medical issues that make them more vulnerable to getting Covid. My 2 cents, for what it's worth.

None of this is illegal or a violation of rights - Ronald Reagan made sure of that with at-will employment laws (you know, the ones that basically allow you be to be terminated on a whim) in his determination to eradicate labor unions. It's just ironic to me given that people who claim he was the best president of our lifetime or w/e are now often the ones complaining about this.

That said, if you won't get vaccinated, stay home. COVID tests unless done daily are pretty useless in controlling spread, especially when people also refuse to mask. It's not within anyone's "rights" to potentially infect and kill someone else. ****, I don't especially want my yearly flu shot, but I'll keep getting it, because we're living in a society here and not everything is about me.

Maybe in the US. Hard luck with that one. But Ireland is a tough country when it comes to Covid. Still have restrictions in place. Been like that for over a year now. Toughest lockdown measures anywhere. Think I have been social distancing most of my life. I can continue to do so too. As long as face masks have to be worn, I will always wear one. Because I respect other people. I would like them to respect me too. If they want to do their thing and one way and others another way, each should respect that. Is people meeting in their thousands who are spreading this thing. Be it protest marches. Or secret raves. Even bloody swinger's parties. That sort of thing is not respecting anything. I look at those people and think they are all morons. No need for house parties. Or even foreign holidays. Something we are seeing a lot of. Still think non essential travel should be banned. Have fools jetting off to Spain for a bit of sun. Catching Covid in Spain and begging the government to bring them back home again. Idiots the lot of them.

bin_tenn said:

My employer has already stated very succinctly that they believe vaccination is a personal choice, and that they'll never require employees to be vaccinated. We are also not opening any of the offices back up yet, except in extremely limited capacity and only "as needed".

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Believe me, nothing meant by this, but not surprised to read what your employers says, as you’re in Tennessee.

Cuchculan said:

George Orwell. 1984. Here we come. Have heard a lot of BS talk. Including people not allowed leave their homes unless vaccinated. That will never happen. Places of work can make a choice on it. But any worker can refuse the vaccine. If they get fired from their job they could challenge it. Not everybody lives in Fraser's little world. Get the vaccine or be doomed. Some of us live in the real world. A world were people have basic human rights. Nobody can force anything on you. This is not Nazi Germany. They won't start taken people out into the streets and lining them up against a wall and shooting them. Part of your basic human rights includes food too. They will not stop you getting food. Did hear that one mentioned too. Only vaccinated people allowed in shops. So they let people starve who are not vaccinated? Make them all unemployed? Create a number of third world countries in some of the most powerful countries on this Earth? All without people fighting back.

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You obviously aren’t watching The Handmaids Tale

Phillies Phan said:

You obviously aren’t watching The Handmaids Tale

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Only watch porn at the weekends.

Cuchculan said:

Only watch porn at the weekends.

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I’ve gained so much respect for you

This…

For my friends and family who have recently gotten their CV shot or who know they will get one soon, awesome for you. I can see how relieved you are and I’m so glad that this option is available for you!

For my friends who aren’t sure they will get one just yet, or maybe ever, or already know that they never will, I want to throw some love and respect your way, too. I am happy that you have that choice. Medical freedom is important.

The wonderful thing about informed consent is that two people with the same information, can make two completely different choices and neither of them is right or wrong. That is what medical freedom is and should be.
There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision! The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it....great!

What’s right for one person, may be wrong for the other. Both, on an intuitive and biological level. We’re all doing the best we can with the information we hopefully have spent time digging into.
Let this be a gentle reminder *for all* to please respect each other and be mindful of the message we put out there. Is everyone “wrong” because they believe differently than you? They very likely have just as strong of a reason for their choice as you do.

Reminder this information is also part of ones personal health information act and you have the right to not answer when asked whether you choose to get the shot or not.
So whether you choose;
CV shot
No shot
Tequila shot
You’re okay in my books and I respect YOUR DECISION
#medicalfreedom #slipperyslope
You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.
“Copied + Pasted because we all need to know about the Personal Health Act!" 

Vaccines have always been required in certain settings, situations and occupations. That isn't anything new.
Yes, I was nervous when I got vaccinated back in April. I have PTSD surrounding medical stuff and was considered higher risk for an adverse reaction and was advised to get the shot in a hospital setting, but hospitals weren't administering the shots, so I had to go to a store to get it and that was really scary for me.
At this point, if for whatever reason I hadn't gotten it, I definitely would be now!! I look at all the people who have gotten the shot in an attempt to help the situation we're in whether they were nervous or not (and back when I got it, everyone was still nervous) and I think to myself "if I chose not to get vaccinated at this point, what would make me think I was so important that my nervousness is more important than trying to help the rest of humanity?" Sometimes, that involves a risk. I'm glad I took that risk even though it was a more considerable risk for myself (covid is also a risk, btw).

Let me give my fellow American friends a different perspective. As some of you know, I’m born and raised in the US, moving to Canada in 2012. Here as you know, our healthcare is paid for by way of our taxes, but when we see a doctor, need an ambulance (actually it’s $45), go to the ER, have a hospital stay, or even surgery, we pay nothing. Our employers offer at no charge to us, supplemental healthcare covering Rx and semi private rooms in a hospital.

Now I’m not here to fight the socialized medicine argument. But let’s talk COVID vaccine. Let’s say 25% of Ontario residents choose not to be vaccinated. We know these people are the ones who are the ones at risk of a serious outcome, meaning hospitalization, ICU, ventilator or death. This is pretty much undisputed.

Their choice, right? Well yes, but if we see a 4th wave from the unvaxed, guess what happens? As hospitals and ICUs fill up, surgeries, mammograms, various imaging, colonoscopies etc. are scaled back, delayed or cancelled. When the 3rd wave hit here, cancer surgeries were delayed. So called elective surgeries like hip replacements were cancelled. I read it will take 2-3 years for the backlog from that 3rd wave to clear. Think of the suffering, the fear, the disability and the deaths from these delays.

A 4th wave up here due to the unvaccinated will again cause this backlog and associated misery. Heck, I was due for my follow up colonoscopy this summer, but my doc delayed it till next year. So the decision not to vax has consequences for all of us. In the US, might be the same in some ways. Even those with insurance can’t be treated if the ICUs are filled to capacity.