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Does seem it. Very least, they did there job and keeping those high risk need it out of hospitals and from dying so we didn't get overwhelmed this time. Least that's what we saw when it was running rampant here a few months back.

Lot higher vaccine uptake here though than in the US.

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I think here in Ireland they are banking on the vaccines a bit more than they should be. Saying the case numbers will rise until Mid- September. By then enough will people will have the vaccines. Numbers will go down. Not something I fully buy into. Just can't see things changing that quickly. You do have your core group of people who hate every vaccine under the sun. It doesn't matter what the vaccine is or even if it is FDA approved. These same core group of people are against everything in life. Bring out something new tomorrow that harms nobody and they will protest about it. Because that is their thing.
 
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Does anybody see this pandemic ever getting better maybe recording less cases? It feels like going to a gig or holiday will feel forever a risk? How come other pandemics got brought under control but this one can’t?
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I think here in Ireland they are banking on the vaccines a bit more than they should be. Saying the case numbers will rise until Mid- September. By then enough will people will have the vaccines. Numbers will go down. Not something I fully buy into. Just can't see things changing that quickly. You do have your core group of people who hate every vaccine under the sun. It doesn't matter what the vaccine is or even if it is FDA approved. These same core group of people are against everything in life. Bring out something new tomorrow that harms nobody and they will protest about it. Because that is their thing.
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The vaccines don’t stop transmission so they should ditch health passes.
 
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Other pandemics? Was only 1 other pandemic. That lasted 4 years.

As for vaccines? In theory, two people have a vaccine, they should be safe around each other.Then they expanded that to a few more people. I not so keen on the crowds at football matches. That will really test their theory. Talking thousands of people together. All are meant to be vaccinated or pass a Covid test within the last 48 hours. Bit of a very big gamble having crowds that size. They have to try something. So letting people with vaccines mix is what they are trying. It might work or it might fail big time.
 
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Cuchculan said:
Other pandemics? Was only 1 other pandemic. That lasted 4 years.

As for vaccines? In theory, two people have a vaccine, they should be safe around each other.Then they expanded that to a few more people. I not so keen on the crowds at football matches. That will really test their theory. Talking thousands of people together. All are meant to be vaccinated or pass a Covid test within the last 48 hours. Bit of a very big gamble having crowds that size. They have to try something. So letting people with vaccines mix is what they are trying. It might work or it might fail big time.
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Was a gig in in England 4,000 cases I think and they all needed testing and vaccines to enter. That’s my point how long does it go on for where it’s a risk just to visit a shop? Spanish flu burned out and became like seasonal flu?
There is a gig near me no passports to enter if I stood miles away at the back as it’s not a busy festival I wonder how safe it would be? Can the covid travel distance?
My wife is going to the pub for a birthday I am also worried she could catch it?
 
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Take the normal flu. Only imagine you can catch it all year round. That would be the same risk. Life is a gamble. Might be safe for 2 years. Catch nothing at all. Then run in to an old friend and catch it off of them. When you least expect it.

I would imagine there might be a few fake vaccine certs out there. Think that was always going to be the case. Show something on your way into a pub or a gig. Not fully checked as it should be. So those people get in. We had a number of pubs asked to close down for breaking Covid rules over the weekend. Some are caught. Others might not be caught but are breaking the rules.
 
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Cuchculan said:
Take the normal flu. Only imagine you can catch it all year round. That would be the same risk. Life is a gamble. Might be safe for 2 years. Catch nothing at all. Then run in to an old friend and catch it off of them. When you least expect it.

I would imagine there might be a few fake vaccine certs out there. Think that was always going to be the case. Show something on your way into a pub or a gig. Not fully checked as it should be. So those people get in. We had a number of pubs asked to close down for breaking Covid rules over the weekend. Some are caught. Others might not be caught but are breaking the rules.
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Will covid not become less lethal or infect less people in time? It would be a shame if it keeps affecting so many people as it does now. I read about a nasal spray that protects you for a few days maybe good for festivals. I work in a shop and we have lots of flu medicines but nothing for covid? Surely we need better treatments
 
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If you come up with a better treatment you will earn millions. I am sure they are looking for new things daily. But they are still learning about Covid. So any new treatments will take time.
 
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Covid is new. So not as much time to come up with new treatments, still a lot unknowns, although a lot of money is being thrown at finding treatments at the moment.

Flus been around a long time. They know a lot about flu, they've had time to come up with ways to treat it and they're still doing so.
 
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My vaccine hesitation continues to reak havoc on my mental well being. Also, I always seem to stumble on the worst of the “unvaccinated people are the worst” takes and it makes me feel even worse. There are people out there who legit want unvaccinated people removed from society all together. I’m so sad and worried about where things are headed.
 
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Have said before that some people have a real fear of the vaccine. An anxiety as such. That it is real. Not everybody is anti vaccine. With some it a fear. I have always accepted that.
 
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The vaccines don’t stop transmission so they should ditch health passes.
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You are 3.5 times less likely to get or have Covid if you're fully vaccinated. That means if I'm getting on a plane with fully vaccinated people it's far less likely that one of them will have Covid than if I get in a plane with unvaccinated people.
 
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Do you think I will ever be able to travel again without testing and vaccines? 2023? 2025 or longer? Will we never see an end to the pandemic to back to freedom of travel?
 
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Not in the short term. Maybe a few years down the line. If Covid becomes a seasonal thing vaccines may be needed to enter some countries. If they ever come up with a vaccine to eradicate Covid. Make it vanish for good. Which I doubt they ever will. Some countries might require tourists to get vaccinated. So nobody who is not vaccinated in bringing Covid into their country.
 
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I hope to visit Belgium in 2022 and at worst take a test. The train can go in a day visit back so any test should be good there and back? Given vaccines don’t work that good with transmission they want to test even vaccinated people anyway.
 
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There will be no holiday. There will be no house party. You can pretend there will be if you want. But it is not going to happen.
 
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Just my two cents here as a hesitant and unvaccinated person. If I was someone that wanted to travel, explore and attend events, I would probably take a longer look at getting the vax because it will be hard to do those things for unvaccinated anywhere throughout the world. I don’t have much interest in flying, getting on a train, cruise ship or anything like that…never have. I am fine with not doing those things and travelling abroad. I can travel by car and do interstate travel. (although I believe some want to ban state to state travel for unvaccinated but I don’t think they can get away with that) Life for the unvaccinated will be different and that is the way it is unfortunately but in choosing not to take the vaccine, I have to live with all the consequences of it including not being able to do certain things. For now, I am okay with that. But if it is mandated by my employer or in public places like stores and restaurants then that will be an issue which I will need to deal with.
 
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They have said you need a passport in Scotland today and vaccine for night clubs and concerts football will I never ever able to visit these venues again?
 
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Maybe in about 5 years. Unless you get the vaccine.
 
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