Vaccine anxiety

TenLettersRap · Jun 25, 2021

Iugrad91 said:
I’d like to see a reliable source where the co-inventor of mRNA vaccines speaks out against them.

look the guy up its really simple to be open to both sides and get information from both.. im not arguing as much as i am merely debating the mindless acceptance of something that is the first and only allowed mRNA vaccine ever and is only authorized under emergency use act which has also never been done before, which means YOU ARE THE CLINICAL TRIAL..i can easily explain mRNA function if you'd like.. if you can read and understand this message, you can understand the literature explaining mRNA, it doesn't take a special skill set to comprehend.. if you think it does then it really says more about ones self...just because you get a vaccine now and you feel fine for months or even years doesn't mean its safe.. most things do take years of trials to be certain but we have completely ignored science to let this through... its like people can feel fine smoking for 10, 20, 40 years and develop lung cancer... people can feel fine drinking and develop liver disease... the vaccine is programming your own cells to build harmful spike proteins from amino acids.. you dont see how that can go wrong?

Cuchculan · Jun 25, 2021

Have a friend in the USA who had both her jabs and then caught Covid. Been in bits for the past while. Slowly making a recovery.

Her words - ( Posted 22nd June )

I had all my COVID-19 Shots. Weeks later, I got COVID-19. I am doing better,. I was so sick for a few weeks. Now VA wants too see me again on the 23rd this month. I have lost so much weight.

Buship · Jun 25, 2021

Cuchculan said:
Have a friend in the USA who had both her jabs and then caught Covid. Been in bits for the past while. Slowly making a recovery.

Her words - ( Posted 22nd June )

I had all my COVID-19 Shots. Weeks later, I got COVID-19. I am doing better,. I was so sick for a few weeks. Now VA wants too see me again on the 23rd this month. I have lost so much weight.

The vaccine is not 100% protective so it is possible to still get COVID afterwards, especially less than 2-3 weeks after the second shot. That being said the vaccine is very effective and it gives you a very high rate of protection against catching COVID, passing it on and to reduce the severity of the illness.

Unfortunately nothing is perfect but that doesn’t mean its not good, 80-90% is better than 0%.

Iugrad91 · Jun 25, 2021

Yeah I know this guy (Bret Weinstein) and he’s not a reliable source of info. I know plenty about mRNA and vaccine/drug development as I worked in the field for almost 20 years as a chemist and developed a drug currently on the market. So I’ll trust the data that is public knowledge for anyone to review and the people I know personally who worked on the vaccine. Thanks for the gaslighting attempt though, to say if you don’t understand/believe that video then you’re an idiot.

TenLettersRap said:
look the guy up its really simple to be open to both sides and get information from both.. im not arguing as much as i am merely debating the mindless acceptance of something that is the first and only allowed mRNA vaccine ever and is only authorized under emergency use act which has also never been done before, which means YOU ARE THE CLINICAL TRIAL..i can easily explain mRNA function if you'd like.. if you can read and understand this message, you can understand the literature explaining mRNA, it doesn't take a special skill set to comprehend.. if you think it does then it really says more about ones self...just because you get a vaccine now and you feel fine for months or even years doesn't mean its safe.. most things do take years of trials to be certain but we have completely ignored science to let this through... its like people can feel fine smoking for 10, 20, 40 years and develop lung cancer... people can feel fine drinking and develop liver disease... the vaccine is programming your own cells to build harmful spike proteins from amino acids.. you dont see how that can go wrong?

Cuchculan said:
Have a friend in the USA who had both her jabs and then caught Covid. Been in bits for the past while. Slowly making a recovery.

Her words - ( Posted 22nd June )

I had all my COVID-19 Shots. Weeks later, I got COVID-19. I am doing better,. I was so sick for a few weeks. Now VA wants too see me again on the 23rd this month. I have lost so much weight.

The vaccine is about 90-95% effective, a little less so against the newest Delta variant which is both more contagious and deadly, so you can get Covid after having been vaccinated. It does keep over 99% of those vaccinated who get Covid from having to be hospitalized with a severe case.

Fraser · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
look the guy up its really simple to be open to both sides and get information from both.. im not arguing as much as i am merely debating the mindless acceptance of something that is the first and only allowed mRNA vaccine ever and is only authorized under emergency use act which has also never been done before, which means YOU ARE THE CLINICAL TRIAL..i can easily explain mRNA function if you'd like.. if you can read and understand this message, you can understand the literature explaining mRNA, it doesn't take a special skill set to comprehend.. if you think it does then it really says more about ones self...just because you get a vaccine now and you feel fine for months or even years doesn't mean its safe.. most things do take years of trials to be certain but we have completely ignored science to let this through... its like people can feel fine smoking for 10, 20, 40 years and develop lung cancer... people can feel fine drinking and develop liver disease... the vaccine is programming your own cells to build harmful spike proteins from amino acids.. you dont see how that can go wrong?

First of all, Robert Malone did not "invent mRNA" and there is not a single citation outside of his own website or conspiracy theory websites suggesting that he did. Even Fox News, the one media source to push his ideas after even youtube took them down, won't call him an inventor of the vaccine. His name is on a patent associated with mnra vaccines, the idea that he "invented them" is ridiculous internet heresy. It's telling that your source is not a peer reviewed journal or any other credible source, but a podcast on youtube. More to the point, his stance on the danger of protein spikes in the vaccine is not based on his own research, but the debunked and discredited research of others and demonstrating this is remarkably easy:

Who is Dr Robert Malone? Meet the physician who invented MRNA technology

Who is Dr Robert Malone, and when and how did he make so many mRNA and DNA vaccine discoveries? The physician appeared on Tucker Carlson yesterday.

www.thefocus.news

Again, not a single peer-reviewed study backs his claims.

Elsewhere on this forum you are telling a mother to take magnesium supplements to counteract the harmful effects of her wifi router. Spouting pseudo-science is bad enough, coming to a website on health anxiety and doing it here is grossly irresponsible. Now comes the stuff about how the powers that be don't want the truth to come out, etc, etc.

Iugrad91 said:
Yeah I know this guy (Bret Weinstein) and he’s not a reliable source of info. I know plenty about mRNA and vaccine/drug development as I worked in the field for almost 20 years as a chemist and developed a drug currently on the market. So I’ll trust the data that is public knowledge for anyone to review and the people I know personally who worked on the vaccine. Thanks for the gaslighting attempt though, to say if you don’t understand/believe that video then you’re an idiot.

Uh oh, sounds like you're part of the cover up!

suzzeeb · Jun 25, 2021

I think everyone is doing the best they can with the information we get. I bet the people in hospital beds dying of Covid would do anything to go back in time and get the vaccine. That's what I thought about when I was considering getting it. Of course I wouldn't choose to get any vaccine or medication if it wasn't necessary, nobody would. In fact, I never got the flu shot until a couple years ago after I got the flu. I was really sick and it went into my lungs and it was terrible, so I decided to start getting the vaccine. I have family members who refuse to get the covid vaccine, and I totally understand their hesitancy, but I am concerned that they might get the virus and how sick they could get from that too.

I also think it's true that some of these opinions are not helpful, on this site especially! All of us are somewhat nervous about getting the vaccine so negative comments don't make us feel any better.

bin_tenn · Jun 25, 2021

Fraser said:
Uh oh, sounds like you're part of the cover up!

I actually LoL'd.

TenLettersRap · Jun 25, 2021

Fraser said:
First of all, Robert Malone did not "invent mRNA" and there is not a single citation outside of his own website or conspiracy theory websites suggesting that he did. Even Fox News, the one media source to push his ideas after even youtube took them down, won't call him an inventor of the vaccine. His name is on a patent associated with mnra vaccines, the idea that he "invented them" is ridiculous internet heresy. It's telling that your source is not a peer reviewed journal or any other credible source, but a podcast on youtube. More to the point, his stance on the danger of protein spikes in the vaccine is not based on his own research, but the debunked and discredited research of others and demonstrating this is remarkably easy:

Who is Dr Robert Malone? Meet the physician who invented MRNA technology

Who is Dr Robert Malone, and when and how did he make so many mRNA and DNA vaccine discoveries? The physician appeared on Tucker Carlson yesterday.

www.thefocus.news

Again, not a single peer-reviewed study backs his claims.

Elsewhere on this forum you are telling a mother to take magnesium supplements to counteract the harmful effects of her wifi router. Spouting pseudo-science is bad enough, coming to a website on health anxiety and doing it here is grossly irresponsible. Now comes the stuff about how the powers that be don't want the truth to come out, etc, etc.

Uh oh, sounds like you're part of the cover up!

im sorry what would be the typical time frame to conduct peer reviewed studies on vaccines?

Iugrad91 said:
I know plenty about mRNA and vaccine/drug development as I worked in the field for almost 20 years as a chemist and developed a drug currently on the market.

crazy how PhDs all the sudden come out on a HA forum eh? what drug did you dev and whats your name

Buship said:
The vaccine is not 100% protective so it is possible to still get COVID afterwards, especially less than 2-3 weeks after the second shot. That being said the vaccine is very effective and it gives you a very high rate of protection against catching COVID, passing it on and to reduce the severity of the illness.

Unfortunately nothing is perfect but that doesn’t mean its not good, 80-90% is better than 0%.

theres always some excuse as to why it doesn't work or killed someone which is why adverse reactions are clearly underreported

Buship · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
im sorry what would be the typical time frame to conduct peer reviewed studies on vaccines?

crazy how PhDs all the sudden come out on a HA forum eh? what drug did you dev and whats your name

MRA vaccines were first tested in humans 10 years ago, the COVID vaccines are simply the first to complete all the clinical trials but they aren’t new, there’s lots of data proving they are safe long term. However long term side effects are not really something to worry about with vaccines, the rare side effects that do occur, do so in the short term.

edited to add,

As a side note it’s very annoying to add to your comment after you’ve made it, you’ve added in a response to me after I replied to you and it just makes things very complicated.

in response to you, the efficiency rates of the vaccine are hardly an excuse, after safety it’s the next thing they test. If you expected a 100% effective vaccine you will be waiting a very long time.

Fraser · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
im sorry what would be the typical time frame to conduct peer reviewed studies on vaccines?

Let me google that for you:

Google Scholar

scholar.google.ca

TenLettersRap said:
theres always some excuse as to why it doesn't work or killed someone which is why adverse reactions are clearly underreported

Lol. "If this vaccine works 99% of the time, how do you explain that anyone has died?" - A person that doesn't understand stats.

TenLettersRap · Jun 25, 2021

Buship said:
MRA vaccines were first tested in humans 10 years ago, the COVID vaccines are simply the first to complete all the clinical trials but they aren’t new, there’s lots of data proving they are safe long term. However long term side effects are not really something to worry about with vaccines, the rare side effects that do occur, do so in the short term.

edited to add,

As a side note it’s very annoying to add to your comment after you’ve made it, you’ve added in a response to me after I replied to you and it just makes things very complicated.

in response to you, the efficiency rates of the vaccine are hardly an excuse, after safety it’s the next thing they test. If you expected a 100% effective vaccine you will be waiting a very long time.

mRNA*
anything can be tested years ago, that doesn't mean it will be safe.. how many decades old research projects do you think get rejected? thats exactly why in that span of time not one mRNA drug has even been considered... the vaccine efficacy is a sham from the start.. you cant exit phase 1 trials with a concrete efficacy number.. and think you retain that through the phase 3.. you'll never see phase 1 trials with no more than a few hundred people, you think that would be an accurate model for 8 billion people.... another funny thing about some of you here is you will go on about how low the chances are of people actually getting the other diseases on here.. do some math.. out of the entire population of the planet.. only 0.2% tested positive for covid and of that 0.2% who tested positive only 0.3% of those cases died WITH covid and according to the CDC themselves of those 0.3% who died WITH covid only 6% of that was a direct death from covid alone... people really want to hate math when it goes against their brainwashing... but im expected to just take experimental drugs with a lot of money on the line, and absolute immunity from responsibility if something does go wrong... yea no.. people have threatened to make me and my family homeless for not jumping on the zombie mind bandwagon...just remember you're on the side with people who said i should die for not getting the vaccine, when i have antibodies....how contradictory is it to say **** like that.. and its that kind of cult idiocy that makes me speak up more because theres an obvious ulterior motive, when violent responses are being normalized through the media and figureheads pushing this bullshit

Fraser · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
mRNA*
anything can be tested years ago, that doesn't mean it will be safe.. how many decades old research projects do you think get rejected? thats exactly why in that span of time not one mRNA drug has even been considered... the vaccine efficacy is a sham from the start.. you cant exit phase 1 trials with a concrete efficacy number.. and think you retain that through the phase 3.. you'll never see phase 1 trials with no more than a few hundred people, you think that would be an accurate model for 8 billion people.... another funny thing about some of you here is you will go on about how low the chances are of people actually getting the other diseases on here.. do some math.. out of the entire population of the planet.. only 0.2% tested positive for covid and of that 0.2% who tested positive only 0.3% of those cases died WITH covid and according to the CDC themselves of those 0.3% who died WITH covid only 6% of that was a direct death from covid alone... people really want to hate math when it goes against their brainwashing... but im expected to just take experimental drugs with a lot of money on the line, and absolute immunity from responsibility if something does go wrong... yea no.. people have threatened to make me and my family homeless for not jumping on the zombie mind bandwagon...just remember you're on the side with people who said i should die for not getting the vaccine, when i have antibodies....how contradictory is it to say **** like that.. and its that kind of cult idiocy that makes me speak up more because theres an obvious ulterior motive, when violent responses are being normalized through the media and figureheads pushing this bullshit

This is a ridiculous, paranoid rant.

TenLettersRap · Jun 25, 2021

Fraser said:
Let me google that for you:

Google Scholar

scholar.google.ca

Lol. "If this vaccine works 99% of the time, how do you explain that anyone has died?" - A person that doesn't understand stats.

your google search didnt answer the question... if you dont know how long it takes to conduct peer reviewed studies and how long after that conflicts can be added, then dont speak on it

Fraser said:
This is a ridiculous, paranoid rant.

paranoid rant.. yea.. remember where you are posting.. you wanna talk about paranoid you are basically labeling everyone here, goofy

Buship · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
mRNA*
anything can be tested years ago, that doesn't mean it will be safe.. how many decades old research projects do you think get rejected? thats exactly why in that span of time not one mRNA drug has even been considered... the vaccine efficacy is a sham from the start.. you cant exit phase 1 trials with a concrete efficacy number.. and think you retain that through the phase 3.. you'll never see phase 1 trials with no more than a few hundred people, you think that would be an accurate model for 8 billion people.... another funny thing about some of you here is you will go on about how low the chances are of people actually getting the other diseases on here.. do some math.. out of the entire population of the planet.. only 0.2% tested positive for covid and of that 0.2% who tested positive only 0.3% of those cases died WITH covid and according to the CDC themselves of those 0.3% who died WITH covid only 6% of that was a direct death from covid alone... people really want to hate math when it goes against their brainwashing... but im expected to just take experimental drugs with a lot of money on the line, and absolute immunity from responsibility if something does go wrong... yea no.. people have threatened to make me and my family homeless for not jumping on the zombie mind bandwagon...just remember you're on the side with people who said i should die for not getting the vaccine, when i have antibodies....how contradictory is it to say **** like that.. and its that kind of cult idiocy that makes me speak up more because theres an obvious ulterior motive, when violent responses are being normalized through the media and figureheads pushing this bullshit

You are grossly misinformed and it’s very insulting and uncalled for to say those things about me. I wish you the best but I won’t be replying to you again.

Fraser · Jun 25, 2021

TenLettersRap said:
your google search didnt answer the question... if you dont know how long it takes to conduct peer reviewed studies and how long after that conflicts can be added, then dont speak on it

paranoid rant.. yea.. remember where you are posting.. you wanna talk about paranoid you are basically labeling everyone here, goofy

It speaks on the timeframe of whether or not peer review studies regarding the safety of mRNA vaccine have occurred. Therefore, any objection that enough time hasn't passed to conduct such studies is easily dismissed.

And yes, believing that there is a conspiracy in play to cover up the vaccine's real effects and that by not buying your misinformation we are siding with people that want to kill you at the behest of the media and political figureheads is a paranoid rant, and no, that's not just how people that have HA are, that's specific to that post. All you are doing here is spreading misinformation, mistrust, and fear.

ThankfulJen · Jun 25, 2021

And the bullies come out. Just give it some time.

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