California doctors speak out

Mandyhiero · Apr 28, 2020

I follow a page on Facebook that is called eyes wide open and there are so many people on there saying the same thing. Coronavirus is real but I believe it’s man-made and the media hypes it up as a scare tactic. I live in Ohio where my county of 64,000 people has only 23 cases and 0 deaths. I don’t know anyone personally who has had the virus. I don’t believe it’s much worse than the flu, but you don’t see all of this hype around flu season. In my opinion, it’s all a smoke screen for them to be able to control us and crash the economy even more. Bill Gates is all for population control and this has been one way that he’s able to do it without anyone questioning his motives. But I believe it will come back to bite him. So there’s my conspiracy theories for the morning. Lol!
Also, everyone likes to scream to stay home and say it’s too early to open everything back up, and the media keeps mentioning a second wave, but we are eventually gonna have to open up because we can’t keep everything closed forever. We’re delaying the inevitable. A second wave will come regardless, it’s just a matter of when.

Mandyhiero · Apr 28, 2020

They do expect it though. They are doing this and people are just following like sheep because they’re scared. And rightfully so. The mainstream media is awful to listen to.

Cuchculan · Apr 28, 2020

My brother works in a hospital. They have the hospital split as such. Your normal every day and the section for the virus. Normal section has nothing happening in it at all. The brother was saying he sits around all day doing nothing. The part that deals with the virus is busy. But a lot of hospital appointments have been cancelled.

As for keeping people in the house? Can't be done. But if let out would people respect social distancing? In other words let them back out if the play ball with some of the rules that are in place. Other shops could open back up if they agreed to have only a few people in the shop at any one time. What they still want to stop are crowds gathering together.

Mandyhiero · Apr 28, 2020

What I don’t understand is why they won’t let small business open but Wal-Mart and Lowe’s can still stay open. They’ve both been as busy as they were before this whole thing started. It’s crazy!

My brother also works in a hospital as an anesthesiologist but he hasn’t been busy because of surgeries being cancelled. Some of the staff has had corona virus, but every one has recovered. The hospital is in Kentucky. We live on the Ohio/Kentucky/West Virginia border. We go to Kentucky and West Virginia for work, food, groceries, and everything. Out of all three state borders, the death toll isn’t that high. Virus numbers alone without death tolls, aren’t even that high.

It’s just crazy to me, all of this uproar over a virus not much worse than the flu. They’re telling farmers to throw out their crops, kill their livestock, and quit feeding them so much so they don’t produce milk. And every one is okay with it?! There’s something more to it. This isn’t about the virus. It’s about something much bigger. If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it when the time comes. But I don’t think that’s gonna happen.

Cuchculan · Apr 28, 2020

My point is we can make life work if done right. But people would have to change a lot of their ways. If we could manage to stop large crowds alone, life could be worked out. That would mean everybody doing the whole social distancing thing. Over here they said that might have to become the new m=norm for who knows how long. But when you think of crowds you think of sports and rock concerts. Life without them for a while. I know with sport they have talked about playing behind closed doors. No crowds at games. They have accepted that would work. Middle of the season over here. If they want to finish the season off they would need to do it without the crowds at the games.

Smaller shops could open too. Limited numbers in the shops. New way of life. But would the public be willing to go along with all that? The virus would be still out there. Until they got a vaccine. Last pandemic was after the first world war. Think we have come a long way since then. That lasted for a few years. Spanish flu. I am sure they can find an answer to this a lot quicker. But they need the public on board with a new way of going about life until they find a vaccine.

Lot of people recovering from it over here. The media is round the clock. This is like gold to them. Over here some people think our acting government are keeping us indoors until they can form a government that includes then again. We had an election just before this hit. No party could form a majority government. So the outgoing government stay in power for as long as it takes really. I don't actually believe that myself. Them keeping us in until they can get back into power again. Every country will have such theories flying around.

But life can go on in a limited way. Restricted numbers and all of that. It would work.

Cuchculan · Apr 28, 2020

That sounds good. Made me laugh. But heck I can hear people saying it.

Rosie123 · Apr 30, 2020

Cuchculan said:
My point is we can make life work if done right. But people would have to change a lot of their ways. If we could manage to stop large crowds alone, life could be worked out. That would mean everybody doing the whole social distancing thing. Over here they said that might have to become the new m=norm for who knows how long. But when you think of crowds you think of sports and rock concerts. Life without them for a while. I know with sport they have talked about playing behind closed doors. No crowds at games. They have accepted that would work. Middle of the season over here. If they want to finish the season off they would need to do it without the crowds at the games.

Smaller shops could open too. Limited numbers in the shops. New way of life. But would the public be willing to go along with all that? The virus would be still out there. Until they got a vaccine. Last pandemic was after the first world war. Think we have come a long way since then. That lasted for a few years. Spanish flu. I am sure they can find an answer to this a lot quicker. But they need the public on board with a new way of going about life until they find a vaccine.

Lot of people recovering from it over here. The media is round the clock. This is like gold to them. Over here some people think our acting government are keeping us indoors until they can form a government that includes then again. We had an election just before this hit. No party could form a majority government. So the outgoing government stay in power for as long as it takes really. I don't actually believe that myself. Them keeping us in until they can get back into power again. Every country will have such theories flying around.

But life can go on in a limited way. Restricted numbers and all of that. It would work.

How do you suggest this be handled in schools? Schools have crowded classrooms... and somehow they are supposed to socially distance next year. How? Oh, they are staggering the classes so that each class has half the students? Well then you need twice the teachers. It's just not going to happen. Keep the students 6 feet apart at lunch? Yeah, no.

Cuchculan · May 1, 2020

Think they will gamble on shorter school weeks. That will number 1. Now just maybe they can reduce the numbers in each classroom. Hire a few more teachers. Use a few extra rooms. Even if they are porta cabins. Can't see any other way of making it work. The risk will always be there. Just like it is if you go to the shops. But they will need to find some method. As you can't keep schools closed for good. I am sure some intelligent person will come up with a method that will work. But then again you have to get the students to keep their distance in between classes and on breaks. This is something people are still learning. The future might all be about social distancing. That might be our way of life for some time to come. If we look at some other things that hit over the years. Ebola is a good example. Still no vaccine for that. Not spread in the same way as such. Has been around for years now. Chances are we might have a Covid 20 and 21 and 22 some time in the future. It might be something they find no vaccine for. Thus it will always be there.

Rosie123 · May 1, 2020

Is that what they are saying they will try in Ireland? Because... you would need twice as many teachers to reduce the students by half in a classroom, which would be necessary for true social distancing. But I don't even trust that, in an enclosed space, especially a small portable, that is enough space. And that's just not going to work in the US; they'd never pay for it here. Right now we are doing 'distance learning' using computers, etc. and it sucks. The thing about Covid is it is just very contagious. I guess worse than Ebola, and certainly worse than MERS or SARs although all of those were far more deadly.

Mandyhiero · May 1, 2020

Where I live in Ohio, they’re talking about sending kids back in the fall, only half of the students the first two and a half days, and the other half the last two and a half days. That’s just an idea they’re throwing around right now.

Rosie123 · May 1, 2020

Well, then the students will only get half an education. I heard around here (California, just an idea for local school district not the whole state) that they would only bring students into the school who need extra help: at risk students, ESL (english as a second language), special ed students. Everyone else gets to learn at home via 'distance learning' using computers. Which in my experience is a very bad way to teach students.

Mandyhiero · May 1, 2020

Rosie123 said:
Well, then the students will only get half an education. I heard around here (California, just an idea for local school district not the whole state) that they would only bring students into the school who need extra help: at risk students, ESL (english as a second language), special ed students. Everyone else gets to learn at home via 'distance learning' using computers. Which in my experience is a very bad way to teach students.

I agree, but I think the other half of the time they’ll be learning online. Which I also agree is a bad way for them to have to learn. But unfortunately that’s our new normal at the moment. By fall they may come up with some better ways of getting our kids an education. Hopefully they will at least!

Rosie123 · May 1, 2020

Here's my full disclosure. I just retired from teaching, a few years earlier than my original plan, over this issue. Distance teaching is terrible and not working with my personal style at all. Maybe it's better for younger, more technology oriented teachers. But I am also not willing to have classrooms full of students (or even partly full) possibly exposing me and by proxy my more vulnerable family members to this disease. I believe the virus will resurface next year leading to more risk, even if it does calm down over the summer. There may be a risky lag time before they shut the schools (again). Our school usually starts up at the very end of July. Now they are thinking of delaying that a month. The situation is untenable. I've been teaching 28 years (it was my second career) and I love teaching, but next year looks to be a disaster and the cons finally outweighed the pros.

Mandyhiero · May 1, 2020

Rosie123 said:
Here's my full disclosure. I just retired from teaching, a few years earlier than my original plan, over this issue. Distance teaching is terrible and not working with my personal style at all. Maybe it's better for younger, more technology oriented teachers. But I am also not willing to have classrooms full of students (or even partly full) possibly exposing me and by proxy my more vulnerable family members to this disease. I believe the virus will resurface next year leading to more risk, even if it does calm down over the summer. There may be a risky lag time before they shut the schools (again). Our school usually starts up at the very end of July. Now they are thinking of delaying that a month. The situation is untenable. I've been teaching 28 years (it was my second career) and I love teaching, but next year looks to be a disaster and the cons finally outweighed the pros.

I am not a teacher. However this whole thing has caused me to have to be to my daughter. She’s only in kindergarten so all of her work has been sent home and fortunately we don’t have to do any online work. However, I am not equipped to give my daughter the education she needs. She’s very smart, but she hates doing school work so it’s a fight every morning to get her started. I can’t imagine having to do this all over again in the fall but if that’s what I have to do, of course I’ll do it. I just think that there has to be some way that we can get our kids back to school. I don’t even pretend to have any answers as to how though. I’ll leave that up to the professionals.
it’s sad that you had to retire early due to all of this. I talked to my sister in law yesterday who is a teacher, and she said she’s missing her students terribly. I imagine you could get pretty attached to your students and when some of them you know don’t have a good home life, it’s that much worse, because when they’re at school with you, at least you know they’re being taken care of.

Cuchculan · May 1, 2020

Here in Ireland, before any pandemic hit, they were talking about reducing numbers in classrooms anyway. For years it has been an issue. Far too many in a room for one teacher. Maybe now they can put those plans into place. But nothing is certain. All still speculation. Some thinking this will be all over by a certain time. Something I don't agree with. Might be with us for years. So they need some kind of plan. Their talk at the moment is just that. Talk. That could change again in a few weeks. But a 3 day week has been suggested by a few countries. As in 3 days is better than no days. Younger kids seem to be safer than older ones. Not saying they can't get the virus. But if we go by numbers we will see it is very low. No idea why. Maybe they can find an answer to the virus if they find out why young kids don't seem to be getting it that much. Have older people got something more developed? That is been attacked by the virus. I would really interested to find the answer to that one. So much so they are saying it is safe for younger grandkids to visit grandparents. Give them a hug. Baffling. Great if we were all young kids. I am sure somebody will do a study on it.

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